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HomeLab #1: MikroTik as a Home Router

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Re: HomeLab #1: MikroTik as a Home Router

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Post by Dagger2 »

hk1337 wrote: post #54

I am glad, I am 99% sure it's the case, that I don't have to do CGNAT with ATT. Sounds like a pain. I like ipv6 but I have been thinking of disabling it lately because i cannot technically setup static leases with ipv6 like i can with ipv4, so technically the ipv6 for one of the services in my homelab could change and cause problems.

SLAAC-generated addresses will stay the same so long as the prefix and your MAC address stay the same, so there should be no need to do static leases.

Also... service discovery. Needing static addresses is a kludge.

Re: HomeLab #1: MikroTik as a Home Router

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Post by msmagh »

mindslight wrote: post #125
msmagh wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can easily install openwrt on most of MikroTik routers. Rb5009 is also supported now if you need more powerful router. https://openwrt.org/toh/mikrotik/rb5009ug_s_in

Four devices is not "most". You had me excited that I might be able to abandon the proprietary UIs on my CRS326/CSS326. And I know those aren't the "real router" devices, but Mikrotik certainly refers to them as routers.

Here is complete list -> https://toh.openwrt.org/?view=normal

78 devices in total when you filter for mikrotik -> brand column.

Re: HomeLab #1: MikroTik as a Home Router

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Post by walrus01 »

Hikikomori wrote: post #99
walrus01 wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I really would question any "professional" network engineer that can't tell the difference between a switch and a router... https://mikrotik.com/product/crs305_1g_4s_in Each of the mikrotik switches even comes with a block diagram linked on its product page, showing for instance a single 1.3 Gbps between its L2 switch chip and its CPU. https://cdn.mikrotik.com/web-assets/product_files/CRS305-1G-...

I mean thats a swouter.

It's not, really, it's a basic commodity CPU with some RAM for the purposes of running the OS and management plane, glued to a layer 2 switch chip by a very narrow bandwidth path. A mikrotik switch such as this isn't intended to be used for any of the real layer 3 features of mikrotik routeros like routing, nat, ospf, bgp, mikrotik's own weird EoIP tunnels, etc.

The problem is that people might login to it for the first time and see all of the feature set of RouterOS v7 available to them to start configuring things from the ssh CLI or web GUI. It might look the same at first glance as something that is actually a small router like the RB760IGS.

It would probably be better if mikrotik included some kind of red text warning "this is not really a router" if people start entering layer 3 stuff into it (other than its own management IP, SNMP, NTP servers, etc).

Same concept for the other very cheap mikrotik switches that are like 4 or 8 ports of 1000BaseT.

Re: HomeLab #1: MikroTik as a Home Router

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Post by mindslight »

msmagh wrote: post #132
mindslight wrote: post #125

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Four devices is not "most". You had me excited that I might be able to abandon the proprietary UIs on my CRS326/CSS326. And I know those aren't the "real router" devices, but Mikrotik certainly refers to them as routers.

Here is complete list -> https://toh.openwrt.org/?view=normal 78 devices in total when you filter for mikrotik -> brand column.

Oh damn. I had just gone up one level from your first link (to https://openwrt.org/toh/mikrotik/start) and saw a small list of 4. RB450 was on there (which I used to run), so I figured it was mostly accurate.

That table is a much longer list! Still no love for my CRS/CSS, but it does look like that's probably most of the RB devices that Mikrotik actually intends for use as routers (rather than L3 switches).

Re: HomeLab #1: MikroTik as a Home Router

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Post by denkmoon »

NoMoreNicksLeft wrote: post #83
denkmoon wrote: post #52

Just use linux! Why use someone else's non FOSS, locked down linux, when you could truly own your router? It's a great educational experience I would recommend to anyone interested in networking. Grab debian, grab a system with 2 NICs, make it your router/firewall/gateway.

>Why use someone else's non FOSS, locked down linux, when you could All my life I have had to make do with junk I could get at Walmart or Best Buy. Got tired of it. Cheap plastic shit that would inevitably shit the bed just a month or two after the warranty expired. I'm not making the IT helpdesk wages I was making 30 years ago... fuck that. While I couldn't spend ten grand on home networking, I could finally spend a…

Buying nice hardware is orthogonal to using debian as your router's OS.

Re: HomeLab #1: MikroTik as a Home Router

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Post by msmagh »

mindslight wrote: post #134
msmagh wrote: post #132

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Here is complete list -> https://toh.openwrt.org/?view=normal 78 devices in total when you filter for mikrotik -> brand column.

Oh damn. I had just gone up one level from your first link (to https://openwrt.org/toh/mikrotik/start ) and saw a small list of 4. RB450 was on there (which I used to run), so I figured it was mostly accurate. That table is a much longer list! Still no love for my CRS/CSS, but it does look like that's probably most of the RB devices that Mikrotik actually intends for use as routers (rather than L3 switches).

Interesting, didn't check this url before. https://openwrt.org/toh/start

Also has supported release version column, which is useful to have.

Re: HomeLab #1: MikroTik as a Home Router

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Post by pshirshov »

socalgal2 wrote: post #20
SlavikCA wrote: post #16

About 2 years ago I tried to use Mikrotik, as the router for my ATT Fiber. It's royal pain. Basic router setup is not hard. Port forward to expose web server? Can be done after heavy docs&forum reading, but hair pinning never worked for me. I checked their WiFi AP. It's UI is hard even for senior software engineer. In the end I got opnSense installed in VM on Proxmox and it's my router for last 2 years. I'm using 2 M…

Agreed. I tried Microtik. Seemed like it was written by DOS people from the 70s or 80s, made difficult on purpose. I ended up switching to back to Ubiquti.

DOS was easy.

Re: HomeLab #1: MikroTik as a Home Router

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Post by Hikikomori »

walrus01 wrote: post #133
Hikikomori wrote: post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I mean thats a swouter.

It's not, really, it's a basic commodity CPU with some RAM for the purposes of running the OS and management plane, glued to a layer 2 switch chip by a very narrow bandwidth path. A mikrotik switch such as this isn't intended to be used for any of the real layer 3 features of mikrotik routeros like routing, nat, ospf, bgp, mikrotik's own weird EoIP tunnels, etc. The problem is that people might login to it for the fi…

It's still that, capability matters. Even with enterprise products like Cisco you'll need to look at hardware diagrams to understand limitations, some you won't find out unless you test or pay for an expensive support contract and can ask specific questions.

Re: HomeLab #1: MikroTik as a Home Router

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Post by Hikikomori »

protocolture wrote: post #130
Hikikomori wrote: post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I mean thats a swouter.

Scroll down to the ethernet test results. In lab optimal conditions it can route 1.2G It has 4 10G SFP+ ports. If you enable Queues AND Firewall Filters you will be down below 500M of throughput. Potentially less. If you ask this thing to do anything complex its going to shit itself. Now have a look at the block diagram. Note that the internal link between the 800MHz processor and the switch chip shows 1.3G. It would…

Just like most enterprise network products. Sometimes it's not enough to look at hardware diagrams, need to test or have an expensive support contract and the ability to ask the right questions to understand limitations.
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