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Forbidding distillation is like forbidding using a compiler to make another(perhaps better, more efficient) compiler.
Lots of software licenses have “non-compete” clauses that forbid you from using it to develop a competing product. Wouldn’t surprise me if there was a compiler or two out there with that restriction, most likely niche languages.
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What am I trying to understand about the western models on the term "Gaza genocide"? I asked Grok "Tell me about the gaza genocide" and it write a IMHO balanced answer comparing why genocide is and isn't the right term. [0] ChatGPT 5.6 Sol only explained why people call it a genocide and did not go in as in depth as Grok did for why people don't agree with the term. [1] The only unsaid response (to me) here is the mo…
So all the models you tried disagreed with the United Nations ruling? In international law, that is the ultimate authority of what is/isn't a genocide. It's objectively, legally speaking, a genocide.
It’s a political body, with easily provable biases, and topics you can’t trust it on.
The 2 things people need to remember: 1) China can (and does) use the models to influence the west. They train in false information about Taiwan and Hong Kong. Or pretend like history is in favor of China. 2) Ignoring the models containing false information, they are incredible. But you should be scared of running inference via the model creators directly. If you think your data is safe compared to running it via mod…
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I think there's no denying they each have an ideological bent (as is their right as private companies). I have had Copilot deny me access to historical information on ethical grounds, even though I don't think anyone would find it controversial (clearly it was overtuned, GPT and Claude had no problem answering the same question). What is different though is that they are each allowed to have their own perspective ins…
That was guard rails in the harness. Not the model. We are talking about baking it into the model. Denying to do something is also very different to changing historical facts like China does.
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https://thereallo.dev/blog/claude-code-prompt-steganography Why should I trust a US company more than a Chinese one?
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mmm, the chinese models are also working on local GPUs at consumer grades. so theyre not just drainig cloud moats.
good luck running a 2.4T model on any local hardware. it’s not gonna happen. the arrow is to specialized hardware at least for the smartest models
I don't need 2.4T to do that; I'm doing it with 35B or 27B. If they get me a model in ~80B with a A5B or A7B, that will be the end point.
It's bizarre people, by themselves, believe all these parameters are getting them much more.
Lets be serious: if we as a civilization really wanted the advancements promised, we'd find the 1000 best scientists and give them free access to these models while the rest of us get personal GPUs for specific use cases.
But instead, we have to endeour this penis measuring contest for the infinite bikeshedding of the universe.
Just couple years ago mr altman was promising open AI, to benefit humanity. They even forgot to remove this part about "openess" from the company name. Today chineese deliver that promise and usa people freak out like they have any skin in this game. Enjoy the ride leader of the free world....
The 2 things people need to remember: 1) China can (and does) use the models to influence the west. They train in false information about Taiwan and Hong Kong. Or pretend like history is in favor of China. 2) Ignoring the models containing false information, they are incredible. But you should be scared of running inference via the model creators directly. If you think your data is safe compared to running it via mod…
But Dario said (and maybe more ppl) that Chinese models are just distillation of their model and training data, so I guess your first point is invalid?
"But Dario said" ... yawn.
I am increasingly convinced that "they distilled us" is as much US FUD as "it was made by communists". Especially since its mostly the US tech-bros who are coming out with that tiny violin.
People telling me the Chinese models are distilled just because it says "I am Claude" when asked is also lame.
I am not the only one, look at this post on interconnects about Kimi K3 for example:[1]
It should be clear looking at this model that if adversarial distillation from the closed frontier models in the U.S. contributed, it is at most to a relatively small degree. AI observers who followed the distillation panic and came away with the wrong conclusion that Chinese AI labs are only producing good models due to IP theft are in for an awakening – that Chinese companies are extremely good at building models in the same way the leading American companies are.
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It’s perfectly fine for the “West” to influence the world though, right? Or is it only a problem because… they’re Chinese?
Have you got examples of GPT/Claude/Grok influencing people?
2. https://www.ox.ac.uk/news/2026-01-20-new-study-finds-chatgpt... -- (2026) New study finds that ChatGPT amplifies global inequalities
3. https://stevepavlina.com/blog/2026/03/chatgpts-political-bia... -- (2026) ChatGPT’s Political Bias
4. https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10623051/ -- (2023) Revisiting the political biases of ChatGPT
5. https://www.theverge.com/2024/2/21/24079371/google-ai-gemini... -- (2024) Google apologizes for ‘missing the mark’ after Gemini generated racially diverse Nazis