Who's afraid of Chinese models? • Hacker News Board

Re: Who's afraid of Chinese models?

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Post by tesnorindian » Tue, Jul 21, 2026, 10:07 AM UTC

exhilaration wrote: post #224

Aurornis wrote: post #92

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For personal use I agree. For companies, these decisions are very sticky. Companies go through a lot of red tape to get anything purchased and approved, then they discourage change because it's a lot of work. So the product that gets a foothold in a company sticks for a long time. Then a couple years later a sales person convinces an exec that they can save some money by switching, so the switching game begins. Not n…

I'm confused, I work at a big giant Fortune 500, we all get GitHub Copilot subscriptionsn - we can switch between OpenAI and Anthropic models with just a click in Visual Studio. There's no stickiness at all. They just made us go through a training after the price hikes about how to choose between models for the best cost/benefit ratio.

We too use GH Copilot in our enterprise. OpenCode works flawlessly with GH Copilot subscription if you don't prefer VS Code.

Re: Who's afraid of Chinese models?

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Post by reisse » Tue, Jul 21, 2026, 10:07 AM UTC

viktorcode wrote: post #450

kinj28 wrote: post #253

I am afraid — if Chinese models go mainstream it has a clear way of pushing its narrative way beyond its otherwise borders. More like a Trojan horse it is for the Chinese. Here is a quick example of how Chinese deepseeks agent works kn its underlying model) when asked a tough question https://x.com/jinen83/status/2079406993979383902?s=46&t=D7hQ...

This is misleading; the chat is censored, the model is not. You can download the model, run locally and ask the same questions to see the difference.

This is not true. Both model and chat are censored; the resistance to answer some questions is baked into the weights. This is not specific to Chinese models though, Western ones are also censored, but in different topics.

Re: Who's afraid of Chinese models?

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Post by enjeyw » Tue, Jul 21, 2026, 10:09 AM UTC

xlmnxp wrote: post #268

kinj28 wrote: post #253

I am afraid — if Chinese models go mainstream it has a clear way of pushing its narrative way beyond its otherwise borders. More like a Trojan horse it is for the Chinese. Here is a quick example of how Chinese deepseeks agent works kn its underlying model) when asked a tough question https://x.com/jinen83/status/2079406993979383902?s=46&t=D7hQ...

Same thing happen for western models, try to ask about Gaza genocide and see for what side it will stand

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Re: Who's afraid of Chinese models?

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Post by namar0x0309 » Tue, Jul 21, 2026, 10:10 AM UTC

I haven't had the time to look into recent and past history, but my intuition points at failed empires having similar "elites" starting to stagnate innovation for the sake of "protectionism" - whatever that means.

Re: Who's afraid of Chinese models?

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Post by Der_Einzige » Tue, Jul 21, 2026, 10:12 AM UTC

jay_kyburz wrote: post #159

matheusmoreira wrote: post #145

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> OpenAI shouldn't be allowed to decide what types of customers it wants and doesn't want? Correct. It shouldn't be allowed to do that.

Err.. I would like preserve my own right to decide who I'll do business with.

Unironically would love to kill that right. Unironically that stupid cake maker in Colorado should have just made the damn cake.

Wage spiritual warfare against the petit-bourgeoise. They all deserve it anyway, as they are the traditional harbringers of actual fascism.

Re: Who's afraid of Chinese models?

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Post by Talpur1 » Tue, Jul 21, 2026, 10:12 AM UTC

I personally believe opensource or may be state owned LLMs are future, every country on earth should have its own national LLM,trained on country's own data, and then allow its public to use it for free

Re: Who's afraid of Chinese models?

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Post by daitangio » Tue, Jul 21, 2026, 10:13 AM UTC

I think the most interesting part of the article is the Huggingface incident at the end:

>Right now defenders are effectively banned from using Fable or Sol for cybersecurity because of Trump administration directives; that means the best alternative is using models from a country which has been trying to weaken our cyber defenses for years. This is insane!

I understand some guardrails are needed, but it is becoming increasing problematic manage them without a strong public discussion.

Re: Who's afraid of Chinese models?

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Post by tremon » Tue, Jul 21, 2026, 10:13 AM UTC

sajithdilshan wrote: post #459

Gareth321 wrote: post #409

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It's not a secret that China is run as an authoritarian dictatorship. Xi Jinping cannot be ousted in an election. He appointed himself for life, and regularly purges anyone who might usurp his power. They don't have a functioning democracy. Are you seriously disputing any of this? None of this excuses issues with American democracy.

America is not technically a democracy. It’s a Republic

Please have your favourite language fabricator explain to you why democracy and republic are not opposing concepts.

Re: Who's afraid of Chinese models?

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Post by sva_ » Tue, Jul 21, 2026, 10:13 AM UTC

Talpur1 wrote: post #476

I personally believe opensource or may be state owned LLMs are future, every country on earth should have its own national LLM,trained on country's own data, and then allow its public to use it for free

I see a lot of ways how that could lead countries into a dystopian nightmare, where the gov gets to decide what kind of biases a model should have.

Re: Who's afraid of Chinese models?

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Post by WinstonSmith84 » Tue, Jul 21, 2026, 10:14 AM UTC

I'm rather scared of US models - if Anthropic was the only AI provider in the world, it's easy to see that common people would have no access at all. Thankfully there is OpenAI which compete 1:1 with Anthropic (at a slightly lower cost) but most importantly the Chinese models keep Anthropic, but also OpenAI in checks.

And I'm saying this as someone working for American companies.