Well technically they don’t own the debt, the SPVs that own the data centers do. The giants just have long term commitments, but if shit hits the fan, it’s not the tech giants but the banks that lent the money to the SPVs that are at risk. This usually means all of us are on the hook.
Five US tech giants' hidden debts soar to $1.65T on opaque AI funding
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Re: Five US tech giants' hidden debts soar to $1.65T on opaque AI funding
#72Earlier quoted context omitted.
I don’t know if the public would be as accepting of a bailout for AI companies… trillion dollar businesses that pushed technology with the goal of eliminating 50% of white collar workers… that isn’t really mission critical. If they want the reward, they need to accept the risk when the bet doesn’t go their way. If they aren’t willing to accept that, they shouldn’t be making such big bets.
The public has been apathetic about every single thing and will just continue scrolling their TikToks Public anger is a very pre-smartphone thing. You don’t worry about those sort of things when you’ve hyperoptimized the circus and made the bread cheap enough
Public anger has gotten to the point that right-wing groups are pushing US legislation to outlaw it as “terrorism” [1], with the president of the right-wing American Heritage think tank pointing to examples such as “college students who took over campus quads” [2] and town halls with congress members getting shut down [3] - they say new laws are needed because public anger over “political purposes” is disturbing “civil tranquility” in the U.S. so those who are aiming to impact “civil tranquility” need to be “held accountable” under the law.
The legislation being pushed starts with:
> Section 1. Short Title. This Act shall be known and may be cited as the “Combatting Civil Terrorism Act.”
> Section 2. Purpose. To promote civil tranquility by holding those who seek to disrupt it for political purposes accountable.
And aside from that, social media (Reddit) seems awash in “public anger” etc.
[1] https://sapirjournal.org/fixing-america/2026/islam-in-americ...
[2] https://manhattan.institute/article/model-legislation-an-act...
[3] https://www.city-journal.org/article/adam-smith-israel-civil...
Re: Five US tech giants' hidden debts soar to $1.65T on opaque AI funding
#73Well technically they don’t own the debt, the SPVs that own the data centers do. The giants just have long term commitments, but if shit hits the fan, it’s not the tech giants but the banks that lent the money to the SPVs that are at risk. This usually means all of us are on the hook.
Banks have not been loaning AI money for some time. They hit all their regulatory safeguard limits so they can't keep loaning. Half the money being invested in AI is private capital. There is still systemic risk, because private capital is a shadow banking system and you don't know who will be affected when they go kaput. Your utility company may [read: will] go bankrupt, but the money in your personal bank account is safe. Your retirement account, however...
Re: Five US tech giants' hidden debts soar to $1.65T on opaque AI funding
#74Imagine shorting Alphabet stock now , just before the AI bubble bursts, what an opportunity of a lifetime.
Re: Five US tech giants' hidden debts soar to $1.65T on opaque AI funding
#75Earlier quoted context omitted.
Replace you with AI, and when the AI math falls apart, use your tax money to bail out AI And they’ll get away with it too
This the proof that guillotine is useful, if not to be used, to make the elite behave in way that avoid suffering it.
It's not fighting against tyrants, it's a declaration of an intention to be the next tyrants.
Re: Five US tech giants' hidden debts soar to $1.65T on opaque AI funding
#76Well technically they don’t own the debt, the SPVs that own the data centers do. The giants just have long term commitments, but if shit hits the fan, it’s not the tech giants but the banks that lent the money to the SPVs that are at risk. This usually means all of us are on the hook.
Re: Five US tech giants' hidden debts soar to $1.65T on opaque AI funding
#77Earlier quoted context omitted.
I don’t know if the public would be as accepting of a bailout for AI companies… trillion dollar businesses that pushed technology with the goal of eliminating 50% of white collar workers… that isn’t really mission critical. If they want the reward, they need to accept the risk when the bet doesn’t go their way. If they aren’t willing to accept that, they shouldn’t be making such big bets.
The public has been apathetic about every single thing and will just continue scrolling their TikToks Public anger is a very pre-smartphone thing. You don’t worry about those sort of things when you’ve hyperoptimized the circus and made the bread cheap enough
The circus is distracting from the price of bread, apparently.
Re: Five US tech giants' hidden debts soar to $1.65T on opaque AI funding
#78Earlier quoted context omitted.
If the US companies need trillions to barely beat Chinese companies spending billions, despite a multi year head start...
That's the difference between innovating and copying/distilling someone else's innovation. https://wccftech.com/chinas-kimi-k3-identifies-itself-as-ant...
Also, how a model identifies itself isn't very telling, many models when asked in Chinese will identify as DeepSeek
Re: Five US tech giants' hidden debts soar to $1.65T on opaque AI funding
#79Well technically they don’t own the debt, the SPVs that own the data centers do. The giants just have long term commitments, but if shit hits the fan, it’s not the tech giants but the banks that lent the money to the SPVs that are at risk. This usually means all of us are on the hook.
And since we are talking about USD (specifically "of" USA), it also means globally a hell lot more of "all of us" are on the hook than we would have been involved (even remotely) had (or would) this endeavour ever ended up in some sort of general success.
I don't know whether it'd be "tails I win, heads you lose" or "I reap the profits alone, you reap the losses alone". Maybe the latter and it becomes magnitudes more interesting when it expands (or rather engulfs) beyond the boundaries of the great nation.
Re: Five US tech giants' hidden debts soar to $1.65T on opaque AI funding
#80Well technically they don’t own the debt, the SPVs that own the data centers do. The giants just have long term commitments, but if shit hits the fan, it’s not the tech giants but the banks that lent the money to the SPVs that are at risk. This usually means all of us are on the hook.
The way banks get involved is that they may be lending senior financing to the private credit funds but that means they have a ton of subordination.