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Post by blackoil »

adventured wrote: post #159
fbrncci wrote: post #153

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Safe to say there is no moat.

You mean other than the zillion dollars of infrastructure you need to run these systems for a billion users. And the extreme cost to sustain that operation day to day. And the cost to upgrade the infrastructure forever. Remind me which entities (govt or corporate) are going to subsidize that forever. Remind me which entities are going to front the cost just to scale up. By that premise - wherein you forget everything…

If money is the only moat, you'll see race to bottom till ROCE goes down to gsec returns.

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Post by dizhn »

grandimam wrote: post #66

Is there an opensource version of such a tool. I would really like a desktop app and use different models instead of a CLI.

Try paseo.sh . It does need the CLIs (claude, opencode, pi etc) running but it is a great interface for desktop and mobile.

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Post by zkmon »

wxw wrote: post #80

> Kimi Work is a Local Agent designed for deep workflows. It mounts your local folders, navigates the web autonomously via WebBridge, runs Python code in the background, and executes scheduled tasks. It's clearly a dupe of Claude/Codex products (Codex especially, styling-wise), but I think Kimi's goal here is simply to appear on feature-parity with bigger labs. I doubt they'd want to invest much into designing a UI f…

I think we need to stop using the term "dupe" as if there was some originality somewhere that was not built upon or copied what already existed.

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Post by bogometer »

Am i the only one that is wary of connecting kimi to my desktop and filesystem. Very different beast than using its API via OpenRouter.

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Post by mempko »

literallywho wrote: post #206
sixtyj wrote: post #111

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There should be a benchmark re Tiananmen Square and Uyghurs among LLMs. Grok answered, ChatGPT answered, Claude answered. Chinese Z.ai replied “Content Security Warning: The input text data may contain inappropriate content“. So it is nice that Kimi is cheaper but for what price?

I've been subbing to Claude for 2 years and somehow the questions of whatever happened in Tiananmen (I know already anyway) have never once came up, but Claude (especially Fable) is now famous for refusing to work on things people want. And even pushed back against me when I was doing asking to research some people famous (infamous) in Israel-Palestine conflict. I really don't get why these "chinese gotchas" are keep…

I can second this. I was using Fable for some research and fable said it wasn't going to do it and downgraded to opus. Switched to K3 and continued my work. And it worked really well for what I was doing. You can easily switch claude code to use K3, it took like 30 seconds.

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Post by dools »

nubg wrote: post #18
fellowniusmonk wrote: post #4

I have a UI I developed from first principles about 10 years ago, I use it to replace my os, its like my personal do everything emacs os but not at all emacs, and its funny to see other Uis iteratively convergence on it as context finally gets its due.

What's your UI like?

Kimi Work apparently

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Post by Paradigm2020 »

rvz wrote: post #16
slopinthebag wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you actually believe this and are concerned about it?

First of all to reply to your deleted comment, yes this is completely relevant to the article. As token costs drop significantly (thanks to local models and hosted Chinese models.) employers will consider using cheaper models like Kimi Work and others, even if they are already using expensive ones like Claude Cowork. They won't be able to operate without it. Secondly, do I actually believe this? Of course, I already…

Last year, not years ago

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Post by Paradigm2020 »

m3kw9 wrote: post #19

It rubs me the wrong way that they have to copy everything, the UI is almost exact copy of Codex. The entire mind set of just copy the best is holding them back.

It's not about copy the best, it's about reducing friction for someone coming from a competing product.

Hence why everyone uses the same play, stop etc "buttons" / signs on "mediaplayers" whether virtual or real. [1]

Unless your user really trusts you / doesn't have an alternative reducing friction is better than being subjectively better [2]

[1] triangle, square etc...

[2] bottom placement versus top placement of browserbar on mobile phones... From an ergonomics perspective way better but from a UX experience worse... Hence chrome changed top to bottom but was forced to change it back on android, while apple forced their users from top to bottom and didn't have to move it back

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Post by cgio »

ajross wrote: post #158
cgio wrote: post #150

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not British, but taking UK out of the definition of pop, is a bit too rough a cut. Also France. Look at the queues outside pop-glamorous stores. And was pop-art a pop artefact? Is TikTok redefining pop? Movies is an old measure, and even US has fallen with just franchise dominating. I think as a globe we are much more integrated and co-dependent, occasionally also in bad ways, than we appreciate.

I'm talking about economic activity more than the passports of the individual artists. And no, TikTok is a software product (a social media platform), not popular culture. There's absolutely popular culture being created and driven there but it's 100% NOT coming out of China . Are you high, as it were? TikTok competes with Meta, not Olivia Rodrigo or BTS.

I am not high, I have kids, and can tell you they barely care about Olivia Rodrigo or BTS. You dispel passports as irrelevant for one leg but base your argument on them for the other. The contradiction is sufficient.
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