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Who's afraid of Chinese models?

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Re: Who's afraid of Chinese models?

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post #122

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Every company that I've worked with that provided models internally did so through LiteLLM and offered both Anthropic and OpenAI models so it was trivial to switch between them.

Most companies just get you a Claude team sub and maybe a couple of skills.

The parent poster is almost certainly talking about inference within workflows and not for interactive coding agents.

Re: Who's afraid of Chinese models?

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The 2 things people need to remember: 1) China can (and does) use the models to influence the west. They train in false information about Taiwan and Hong Kong. Or pretend like history is in favor of China. 2) Ignoring the models containing false information, they are incredible. But you should be scared of running inference via the model creators directly. If you think your data is safe compared to running it via mod…

1) I'm not using AI to bicker over fringe political shibboleths. 2) I don't think it is any more or less safe to put my code on a Chinese server versus an American one. A Chinese provider also isn't liable to spy on me for the feds, as OpenAI and Anthropic certainly do.

Different county different feds both spying I'm sure.

Re: Who's afraid of Chinese models?

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I am afraid — if Chinese models go mainstream it has a clear way of pushing its narrative way beyond its otherwise borders. More like a Trojan horse it is for the Chinese.

Here is a quick example of how Chinese deepseeks agent works kn its underlying model) when asked a tough question

https://x.com/jinen83/status/2079406993979383902?s=46&t=D7hQ...

Re: Who's afraid of Chinese models?

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The people who are most afraid of Chinese models are the VCs who poured into Anthropic and OpenAI at astronomically high valuations. Anthropic is valued at $1.2T and OpenAI is targeting $850B. These astronomical valuations were built on the premise that these labs would generate massive profits from premium API pricing, but the Chinese labs are completely undercutting this strategy by releasing excellent open models…

I'm a civilian, not a VC. In my own case, I'm worried how many things pass through the CCP. How censorship of mentions of Tiananmen Square is something they're quite interested in

Re: Who's afraid of Chinese models?

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The 2 things people need to remember: 1) China can (and does) use the models to influence the west. They train in false information about Taiwan and Hong Kong. Or pretend like history is in favor of China. 2) Ignoring the models containing false information, they are incredible. But you should be scared of running inference via the model creators directly. If you think your data is safe compared to running it via mod…

On (1), models are an aggregation of large volumes of data sources, whatever the culture producing them, you'll get the average bias of that culture.

We see that on what minorities are associated with inside the model, or how things that aren't online will have a completely different weight. Or how 2/4/5/8ch or X will be disproportionately present in specific models despite being the places where facts go to die.

Re: Who's afraid of Chinese models?

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post #190

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Imagine how cool it would be if actual competition prevents Anthropic or OpenAI from becoming an Apple/Google kind of cartel. I don’t care if it comes from China or not.

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Good old FUD

Re: Who's afraid of Chinese models?

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post #253

I am afraid — if Chinese models go mainstream it has a clear way of pushing its narrative way beyond its otherwise borders. More like a Trojan horse it is for the Chinese. Here is a quick example of how Chinese deepseeks agent works kn its underlying model) when asked a tough question https://x.com/jinen83/status/2079406993979383902?s=46&t=D7hQ...

Is this something that is more true of a Chinese model than any other model of a different national origin?

Genuine question: generalized up from individual models to “models from country X”, is there any country that doesn’t have this exact risk?

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