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Re: Kimi Work

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Post by micromacrofoot »

wxw wrote: post #80

> Kimi Work is a Local Agent designed for deep workflows. It mounts your local folders, navigates the web autonomously via WebBridge, runs Python code in the background, and executes scheduled tasks. It's clearly a dupe of Claude/Codex products (Codex especially, styling-wise), but I think Kimi's goal here is simply to appear on feature-parity with bigger labs. I doubt they'd want to invest much into designing a UI f…

So much is invested in the huge American AI companies that China undercutting them with clones that work almost as well can actually hurt the US economy.

They're at the point where copying can get people 90% of what they want anyway, the moat is drying up.

Re: Kimi Work

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Post by Havoc »

sixtyj wrote: post #113
Havoc wrote: post #85

People saying copy aren't wrong...but if you can offer a copy at 1/5th of the price then you've got a winning product not a copy

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I'd prefer it uncensored too but this objection was insightful in 2023. Everyone and their dog knows they're censored on topics sensitive to their country, much like western models are censored for western woke sensitivities. Nobody cares anymore as long as the reasoning is good and the price is low

Re: Kimi Work

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Post by bglusman »

jaggederest wrote: post #119
Maxatar wrote: post #94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are but then you're required to pay API prices for them which can end up costing significant multiples of the price of the subscription.

I am confused why they don't just offer a subscription with bring-your-own-harness, that would be a differentiator from claude/codex I think.

Actually unless they’ve changed substantially Kimi kind of does this? It’s not as advertised/focused on and the API is a little nonstandard making it hard to plug some things into, but, unlike Claude they’ll actually give you an API key you can use directly as part of your unmetered subscription. I played with it for a month or two out of curiosity, it ls not a bad value though a bit brittle and stuff

Re: Kimi Work

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Post by HarHarVeryFunny »

nickthegreek wrote: post #58
simlevesque wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It'll most likely land on Bedrock when the K3 weights are released.

Will it? Bedrock doesnt have deepseek v4, GLM 5.2, Qwen 3.6, minimax m3.

Fireworks AI has all of those, and is cheaper than Bedrock.

Re: Kimi Work

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Post by sixtyj »

Havoc wrote: post #132
sixtyj wrote: post #113

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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I'd prefer it uncensored too but this objection was insightful in 2023. Everyone and their dog knows they're censored on topics sensitive to their country, much like western models are censored for western woke sensitivities. Nobody cares anymore as long as the reasoning is good and the price is low

Yes, “Nobody cares” is what scares me.

If we don't care about the other person than who we are?

On the other side, I am not a woke optimist that everything on Earth is lit by Sun…

Re: Kimi Work

#137

Post by john01dav »

jaggederest wrote: post #119
Maxatar wrote: post #94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are but then you're required to pay API prices for them which can end up costing significant multiples of the price of the subscription.

I am confused why they don't just offer a subscription with bring-your-own-harness, that would be a differentiator from claude/codex I think.

The Chinese api prices are already so cheap that that is arguably not needed.

You can also get $10/month opencode go (which officially can be used with any harness) with basically every major open weight model running inference in a place that I deem more trustworthy than the subject-to-Chinese-law inference options (but research this for yourself, there are some asterisks). This is what I use (in opencode) when I want an agent for personal use. Even if I'm being fairly intense with my usage by my standards anyway), I haven't managed to run out (yet), although I usually use the cheaper models (deepseek v4 is my favorite, and I've used both flash and pro).

From the FAQ:

> The plan is designed primarily for international users, with models hosted in the US, EU, and Singapore for stable global access. Our providers follow a zero-retention policy and do not use your data for model training.

And:

> Yes, you can use Go with any agent. Follow the setup instructions in your preferred coding agent.

Re: Kimi Work

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Post by stusmall »

micromacrofoot wrote: post #131
wxw wrote: post #80

> Kimi Work is a Local Agent designed for deep workflows. It mounts your local folders, navigates the web autonomously via WebBridge, runs Python code in the background, and executes scheduled tasks. It's clearly a dupe of Claude/Codex products (Codex especially, styling-wise), but I think Kimi's goal here is simply to appear on feature-parity with bigger labs. I doubt they'd want to invest much into designing a UI f…

So much is invested in the huge American AI companies that China undercutting them with clones that work almost as well can actually hurt the US economy. They're at the point where copying can get people 90% of what they want anyway, the moat is drying up.

If you remove the word "AI" from your post it also describes the last 20 or so years of US/Chinese economic competition. They are real, serious competitor but also there is a lot of value in that last 10%. Some buyers need the best and you can charge a premium for it.

The speed in which a copier can catch up to a leader is faster than every before, but everything is faster these days. I think the threat is if can these labs catch up and pass American labs while keeping costs low, but I don't see that happening.

Re: Kimi Work

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Post by aiisdoomed »

micromacrofoot wrote: post #131
wxw wrote: post #80

> Kimi Work is a Local Agent designed for deep workflows. It mounts your local folders, navigates the web autonomously via WebBridge, runs Python code in the background, and executes scheduled tasks. It's clearly a dupe of Claude/Codex products (Codex especially, styling-wise), but I think Kimi's goal here is simply to appear on feature-parity with bigger labs. I doubt they'd want to invest much into designing a UI f…

So much is invested in the huge American AI companies that China undercutting them with clones that work almost as well can actually hurt the US economy. They're at the point where copying can get people 90% of what they want anyway, the moat is drying up.

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Re: Kimi Work

#140

Post by piker »

ForHackernews wrote: post #104
piker wrote: post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The baker is not asking you to trust them with your entire knowledge base in exchange for an apple pie.

Why do you trust Sam Altman?

I don't trust him or Dario frankly, but I don't run a Fortune 500 company. They obviously do.
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