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> It's early in the year. You want to drive straight through the middle of Chinatown in SF. Why might that be a bad idea? In case anyone is wondering: yes obviously even the dumbest current models correctly answer, given this prompt verbatim, that it's because of lunar new year.

No, the driving through Chinatown question is a question for self-driving cars. It is not a question for LLMs. There is some other question for LLMs, and the author is using the ancient technique of analogy to get you to think about that question.

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> Now, ask yourself what it's going to take for a car to know this. It's not going to be some specialized set of driving instructions. It's going to require a holistic view of, well, everything, and I will repeat my feeling that it will undoubtedly end up with a sense of self as a result.

Whatever it is that it would take, is demonstrably present in LLMs. The point I'm trying to make here is that the author seems not to have connected this fact to their assertion that current LLMs are coked up parrots.

And yeah the author is correct that the systems have some rudimentary sense of self! It's a confusing situation and I'm not personally thrilled about it! But things are changing quickly, and it's especially important to be paying attention to what's actually true rather than assuming the things are what you saw when you used one for five minutes in 2022.

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> The worst part is that everyone who's decided to willingly lobotomize themselves is going to have to come to the realization that these things are full of shit. It'll have to happen one by one, and nobody else can make it happen for them. A fascinating dichotomy has become apparent between those who trust LLM output and those who don’t and don’t understand why you would. Surely if the machine you go to for answers…

I have to admit since VSCode seems to be regularly re-enabling the Cocaine Parrot Autocomplete my views on LLMs and coding has softened a little. I'll temper that slightly by saying it's mostly out of morbid curiosity because the things that the Dreaming Piracy Robot comes up with are frequently wildly incorrect code, but it's interesting to think about how it might have got there. And then I think, well, maybe Speci…

I use the autocomplete regularly. Perhaps that’s where my skepticism comes from, as I can see the completely incorrect yet plausible results in real time and about 50% of the time they are wrong (sometimes subtly, sometimes horribly).

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I regularly see this in chats about a subject area where I'm not the expert. The AI writes something that seems implausible, so I raise a tentative objection. "Oh, you are right, sorry" and then reverses the position on the matter. At that point, I have no idea what is right.

If I had trust in the first place, that trust would be gone. Or maybe it wouldn't, because if I had trust in the fist place, I would be gullible enough to maintain it.

The worst are areas that are dominated by layman online discussions, like say audio electronics. The AI training is full of that nonsense, and so whether your AI chatbot is a crackpot or an engineer depends entirely on what sort of language or angle you use in discussing the subject matter. It's all just a churning toilet bowl of tokens; it has no idea that the audiophile crackpot tokens and electronics engineer tokens are related and one beats the other.

You know what I mean? On the one hand, it offers to help you design the parameters for a Sallen-Key filter, asking you questions like do you want Butterworth or Chebyshev? Next minute it says nonsense like that the capacitor in a low-pass filter "bleeds high frequencies to the ground", or that a bigger filter cap in the plate supply of a tube will tighten up the bottom end for a more aggressive metal sound.

It's basically like a bar hostess who has heard enough political and economic discussions that she can catch a sentence out of a conversation and throw in a clever sounding remark. It's like that, but done at such a scale that it fools some people you used to think had their shit together.

It's just a search engine that finds garden paths through a vast amount of text, biased by the text you put in as a key. Sometimes those garden paths align with reality. The better you are able to verify whether the results are good, and/or the lower the risk if they are not, the better you are able to make use of it.

In mathematics (including information science, CS) there are all sorts of problems that are essentially searches for a solution, and many have the property that the search is computationally difficult, but verifying the solution is relatively cheap. E.g. finding integers such that a^2 + b^2 = c^2 isn't easy, but given a claim that some proposed satisfies this equation is easy to check. The LLM is like that: it solves a search problem that can be fairly hard. It does so unreliably, but if you can cheaply verify the solution, there is a win there.

The remaining problems of AI are actually people problems; people causing you problems, using AI as a tool or excuse. If you get a garbage security report against your FOSS project, which wastes your time, there is an idiot person behind it, using AI for leverage. Blaming the AI, or just the AI, is a bit misplaced.

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There's really no content in this post other than the claim that LLMs are stochastic parrots. That was a live debate two years ago. It's a very strange thing to write in 2026.

Why is it strange? It's still true.

Because it's exceptionally demagogue to anyone with a functioning brain? You know, the thing the dear author makes a big hoopla about people giving up by using these?

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There's really no content in this post other than the claim that LLMs are stochastic parrots. That was a live debate two years ago. It's a very strange thing to write in 2026.

Why is it strange? It's still true.

That's a pretty silly thing to say the day after Claude disproved the Jacobian Conjecture.

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> The worst part is that everyone who's decided to willingly lobotomize themselves is going to have to come to the realization that these things are full of shit. It'll have to happen one by one, and nobody else can make it happen for them. A fascinating dichotomy has become apparent between those who trust LLM output and those who don’t and don’t understand why you would. Surely if the machine you go to for answers…

Making things up is only really a common issue on the non-thinking models which nobody should be using. The regular chatbots are Autogooglers and are very useful for research. This is just not a good argument anymore. Edit: Guys, why are we downvoting this? Does no one use like ChatGPT or Claude and understand how it works? Do you all think its regularly hallucinating links still? Is everyone on HN using like free si…

>Do you all think its regularly hallucinating links still?

When did that stop? May 7th, 2026?

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> The worst part is that everyone who's decided to willingly lobotomize themselves is going to have to come to the realization that these things are full of shit. It'll have to happen one by one, and nobody else can make it happen for them. A fascinating dichotomy has become apparent between those who trust LLM output and those who don’t and don’t understand why you would. Surely if the machine you go to for answers…

I bet there will be a very interesting generational divide between the kids that were born before or after about 2010; old enough to have some critical thinking facilities at the dawn of ChatGPT when it was still noticeably dumb.

Pretty sure it already exists, and it's the same as always: the younger you are, the better you adapt.

It's painful to watch my older colleagues use their agents, and they're not even that much older. Like they were intentionally trying to sabotage themselves sometimes.

They're getting better, but the time it takes for them to pick things up is just significantly longer, not the least because they're kind of just throttling themselves in addition.

Good thing that there's not much to pick up on at least.

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> The worst part is that everyone who's decided to willingly lobotomize themselves is going to have to come to the realization that these things are full of shit. It'll have to happen one by one, and nobody else can make it happen for them. A fascinating dichotomy has become apparent between those who trust LLM output and those who don’t and don’t understand why you would. Surely if the machine you go to for answers…

Even if LLMs lied 30% of the time, they would still be about as useful as they currently are for me. When I ask for their input, it's always for a situation where I'm capable of judging if their input is useful or not. In all situations I use them, it doesn't matter if they're correct at all. I'm asking for ideas, alternatives, links for blogs or articles. I talk things out with them... I don't think we should ever "…

Unfortunately the vast majority of users do trust them and the companies selling them are recommending them for tasks like accounting or business projections.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why is it strange? It's still true.

If anything it's more important to hold. It's easy to hold one position and then falter, there's a pressure to always be with the times and not be 2 years demodé, but simple positions still hold true. I wrote in the opencode thread that when it came out I put it behind a vm and its own user, and I never allowed it to run outside of it. But I know of people that as soon as they noticed that it worked well like 99% of…

It's not even clear what claim you're trying to make about AI here. "Dangerous", I guess? What does that have to do with its parrotude?
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