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Why is it so hard for the U.S. to win wars?

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Re: Why is it so hard for the U.S. to win wars?

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To "win" a war you must have specific and measurable goals. If your politicians start a war but cannot articulate such goals, you're going to lose. They'll assure you they will win, but they've already lost. They are bad at their jobs, why did you hire these morons?

I can't believe I had to scroll down to see this. Victory always flows down; you can have the most badass of technical equipment or cunning tactical victories in the field, then still quite enthusiastically lose the war, due to bad strategy or even the original political goals of conflict.

Or because the political goals were impossible or - almost breathtaking that this state can even exist - because the goals are entirely absent. Incidentally, having a "rotating roster" of different political goals probably counts as something worse than "absent", due to the illusory impression that it gives of "someone deciding something".

Re: Why is it so hard for the U.S. to win wars?

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> send entire generations off to die methods of old Of old? Isn't that what Russia is doing right now?

No, they haven't implemented mass conscription, and won't because even autocrats can't ignore public opinion

Russia does conscript men:

https://www.rferl.org/a/russia-ukraine-conscripts-war-combat...

Re: Why is it so hard for the U.S. to win wars?

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> Also USA is very sensitive about the other side's civilian deaths. Its literally bragging about the oposite while intentionally killing civilians.

In Iran USA has killed 1/4 of a civilian for every enemy combatant. That is unprecedented by any war level.

How could such a thing possibly prove that "USA is sensitive to civilian deaths"?

USA is just not sensitive to that. It is sensitive to lives of own soldiers, very much.

Re: Why is it so hard for the U.S. to win wars?

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Yes, but Maduro is not. His former right hand is in charge and Rubio is controlling her. It was not regime change, but an internal coup helped with foreign soldiers. New leader is equally oppressive, but this time guided by American admin.

It is not under US control though. The new president is simply playing each side

Not based on reporting. She is fully controlled by Rubio.

Re: Why is it so hard for the U.S. to win wars?

#125

To "win" a war you must have specific and measurable goals. If your politicians start a war but cannot articulate such goals, you're going to lose. They'll assure you they will win, but they've already lost. They are bad at their jobs, why did you hire these morons?

The goal is to sell weapons during the war; then afterwards, sell loans to rebuild what the weapons have destroyed... And sometimes it's also to control access to natural resources or trading routes. They don't care who it is who facilitates them on the other side of the ocean; be it a dictator or an 'elected' official. The lobbyists running the show in the background make money from both the destruction as well as t…

It is surprising that you have the fabled MIC on top of the list of the nasties and not the international bankers. MIC is 2nd tier parasite layer in context of unnecessary and contrived warfare. On the top are the bankers who give loans to nations to buy these expensive weapons. They have no competition either, unlike the MIC players who have to chase contracts and compete. Only a select few get to print money out of thin air and they have no competition.

"Who runs barter town" is imho the most geopolitically illuminating sentence to ever come out of Hollywood.. That's what it's all about.

Re: Why is it so hard for the U.S. to win wars?

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For Ukraine it's very much an existential war. If they lose, Ukraine will cease to exist. The only way of winning is, well, winning this war. It is also very much a real war, with hundreds of thousands of deaths on both sides, a true massacre not seen in Europe since WW2. Trumps stupid war on Iran on the other hand is really just some air strikes, and Iran can win by just not losing, which is easy, because the US wil…

It's interesting how casually we replace concern for the population with concern for the political entity. No, the Ukrainian identity will not cease to exist with the replacement of the political entity.

They still remember https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor

Re: Why is it so hard for the U.S. to win wars?

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post #123

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In Iran USA has killed 1/4 of a civilian for every enemy combatant. That is unprecedented by any war level.

How could such a thing possibly prove that "USA is sensitive to civilian deaths"? USA is just not sensitive to that. It is sensitive to lives of own soldiers, very much.

Usually it is couple of civilians per enemy combatant. So USA kills civilians at rates many times under the norm.

Re: Why is it so hard for the U.S. to win wars?

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post #7

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> send entire generations off to die methods of old Of old? Isn't that what Russia is doing right now?

No, they haven't implemented mass conscription, and won't because even autocrats can't ignore public opinion

Correct. Conscription in Russia largely happens to rural people, ethnic minorities and convicts. Russia is the way it is because a large enough number of ethnic Russian middle class urbanites don't give a fuck about anything, and Putin knows the moment he starts drafting them he turns them into anti war activists.

Re: Why is it so hard for the U.S. to win wars?

#129

It depends on what "win" means. The US can win the opening military phase pretty decisively. The part that keeps failing is turning that into a political end state that can survive after the shooting slows down.

It should be no surprise that the US cannot immediately overwhelm Iran, which has prepared for war with the USA since the overthrow of the Shah in 1979. Iran's new leader Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini in November 1979, one day after 66 American diplomats and civilians were taken hostage at the U.S. embassy in Tehran, labelled the USA "the Great Satan":

https://www.upi.com/Top_News/World-News/2026/07/18/iran-ayat...

Consider that, since that time (46 years), much of Iran's income has been directed to preparation for surviving nuclear war with the USA. Ergo underground living and production facilities, similar to those that the Soviet Union has constructed in Russia:

https://www.bing.com/search?q=how%20many%20soviet%20%20under...

have been built and occupied in Iran.

Defeating such an entrenched enemy requires conquering surface forces, then denying each bunker access to the surface and bunker-by-bunker surrender, asphyxiation or destruction. This requires boots on the ground and/or automation beyond the current SOA.

The alternative is to allow Iran to possess nuclear weapons.

Re: Why is it so hard for the U.S. to win wars?

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In WW2 thousands of troops could die in a single day and we wouldn't know their names until months or years later. Today a single troop dies and it is the first story on the national news. Millions of civilians also died, just the amount of soldier deaths would be the equivalent of 2-3 September 11s (worldwide) every day for a period of 6 years. So we say "war" but modern conflicts are absolutely nothing compared to…

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