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Airbus Takes Flight from AWS

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Post by PaulRobinson »

michaelt wrote: post #119
troupo wrote: post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I doubt US tech understands. For one, they are deeply in bed with the current administration (for any definition of current, past, and future). For another, they fight tooth and nail any and all sovereignity of data even within their own walled gardens. See decade of battles by Google, Apple, Facebook etc. in the EU.

The true extent of the damage has yet to be seen. The Trump administration is a shot across the bows for Europeans, undoubtedly. But do they have to up their defence spending a bit, engage in some tough talk, reduce their dependence on imported energy, and gift Trump some gold-plated furniture? Or do they have to do that and eliminate their dependence on Boeing, Lockheed Martin, Northrop Grumman, Intel, AMD, nvidia,…

> Or do they have to do that and eliminate their dependence on Boeing, Lockheed Martin, Northrop Grumman, Intel, AMD, nvidia, Apple, Mastercard, Visa, Google, Microsoft, AWS, Oracle, Facebook, Youtube, Netflix, Reddit, Twitter, Instagram, Juniper, Cisco, Qualcomm, Broadcom, Adobe and Uber?

Some of those are not like the others. Some are B2C and will face (indeed, are facing), tougher regulations. Some are B2B or B2G and there are already companies squaring up to take some of that pie. Many are ultimately reliant on ASML tech which I think Europe is prepared to weaponise in a trade war if they need to.

And yes, it'll take leadership, and constitution of the United States, or constitution of the physical body: one of them is taking that man out of the White House in the next 10, 20 or however many years.

But the tone has been set. Trust takes years to build and seconds to destroy. The direction of travel has been created, and while it might take a generation to get to an end goal, the process has started already.

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Post by radiator »

UltraSane wrote: post #121
khurs wrote: post #83

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US Tech does understand, US Administration does not.

Trump wrecks everything he touches.

Trump himself understands little of everything he does. He cannot be bothered to read simple texts, but he prefers images. His attention span is very short. So he is somewhat like a toddler. But in the end of course he does sign decisions and orders, even though he might have not read them fully. Someone else writes those documents he signs.

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Post by hylaride »

mrngld wrote: post #33
amelius wrote: post #5

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We have a proven case of USA pulling the plug. Not sure which is worse.

Do we? From a EU-hosted location? Becoming a sanctioned entity wouldn't count -- if Airbus somehow made the business decision to start selling drones directly to Uyghur slave labor camps in western China and got itself on a list of sanctioned companies even Scaleways couldn't help them. I think that's a thinly veiled excuse for a much more mundane reason this is happening; their government stakeholders asked them to…

Recently the US gov't had Microsoft shut down an ICC judge's work email account. The threat is very real of more serious shenanigans (though I personally think the risk of backdoors introduced to any other software they use is just as real - Europe is just too much of a patchwork of jurisdictions to get this right).

Re: Airbus Takes Flight from AWS

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Post by mancerayder »

michaelt wrote: post #119
troupo wrote: post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I doubt US tech understands. For one, they are deeply in bed with the current administration (for any definition of current, past, and future). For another, they fight tooth and nail any and all sovereignity of data even within their own walled gardens. See decade of battles by Google, Apple, Facebook etc. in the EU.

The true extent of the damage has yet to be seen. The Trump administration is a shot across the bows for Europeans, undoubtedly. But do they have to up their defence spending a bit, engage in some tough talk, reduce their dependence on imported energy, and gift Trump some gold-plated furniture? Or do they have to do that and eliminate their dependence on Boeing, Lockheed Martin, Northrop Grumman, Intel, AMD, nvidia,…

And then there is the question of how much net worth of these EU elites is tied to U.S. stock market wealth, itself hugely big tech. We know they are EU elites because there is a culture of going to the best schools where you learn culture and start in big business circles right away like your parents did. These aren't freedom-fighters looking for independence. I remember fondly Gerhard Shroeder, the leader of the SPD, later becoming a Putin ally and making millions sitting on boards of Russian energy companies. Is it any wonder that the country which moved away from nuclear and is a big environmentalist haven is one of the most dependent on Russian gas?

My fear is with these types of issues of sovereignty (or corruption), the reaction is often right-wing or left-wing populism. The type of thing that got Trump there in the first place.

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Post by UltraSane »

radiator wrote: post #162
UltraSane wrote: post #121

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Trump wrecks everything he touches.

Trump himself understands little of everything he does. He cannot be bothered to read simple texts, but he prefers images. His attention span is very short. So he is somewhat like a toddler. But in the end of course he does sign decisions and orders, even though he might have not read them fully. Someone else writes those documents he signs.

This is exactly why he is so destructive, he is too stupid to understand complex system but arrogant enough to still make changes.

Re: Airbus Takes Flight from AWS

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Post by Ralfp »

areoform wrote: post #52
msdz wrote: post #45

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> I’m amazed that it is even legal for businesses to ask for that at all, outside of a few exceptional cases of which “I want to rent a server” most certainly isn’t one. How about the case of “I want to rent a server to distribute illicit and or dangerous materials and then it’s your problem”?

> How about the case of “I want to rent a server to distribute illicit and or dangerous materials and then it’s your problem”? Why would it be? And are we going to use "because terrorism" card on HN?

Why can't they say "we got payments from this and this payment card" and then they can follow up with the bank?

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Post by lelanthran »

inigyou wrote: post #152
lelanthran wrote: post #145

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> I agree if we are operating a cat meme distribution business that AWS starts to look a bit overkill. Something like a banking consultancy is a different matter. I think it's the other way around. At the extreme scales you don't want AWS. If you're running a cat meme distribution business, a single senior skilled techie will cheaply get you set up on a VPS (or a bunch of them) with the services you need. If you're a…

But AWS is a VPS company. Who's managing those VPSes?

> But AWS is a VPS company. Who's managing those VPSes?

The same people who were logging into AWS and managing stuff there.

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Post by duckerduck »

areoform wrote: post #8

A study in contrasts, I signed up my business with Hetzner. And the first thing I saw during onboarding was a demand to upload my ID to spend $5 to test their service (I was testing before we bought). I wrote to customer service and got, Dear Client, We received your email. Thanks for writing to us. You have probably realized that this is an automated message. We need some time to process each email that we receive,…

When was this? I signed up recently and don't remember this requirement.

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Post by gmueckl »

p-e-w wrote: post #26
cryo32 wrote: post #18

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I haven't found a competent supplier who doesn't want to know who you are. I entirely exclude Digital Ocean from competent suppliers.

Just because a company wants to know who you are doesn’t mean they are entitled to a scan of a sensitive government document that can be used to commit identity theft. I’m amazed that it is even legal for businesses to ask for that at all, outside of a few exceptional cases of which “I want to rent a server” most certainly isn’t one.

It's rather an indicator of a system that is so broken that a digital copy of a single form of ID document is sufficient to impersonate someone well enough to do financial damage.
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