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Re: Orion Browser by Kagi

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Post by armadyl »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #125
c16 wrote: post #116

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As an ad-blocker user for years, I agree. On the flip side, how do blogs, news, and every day ad-serving websites survive without them? If it dies, it dies? Maybe this is not a discussion for here right now. But it's definitely something I've thought of. Not everyone want to pay for news.

> how do blogs, news, and every day ad-serving websites survive without them? Same as they do now. The quality ones charge for their content. The low-quality ones survive on serving ads to the masses.

More like the quality ones get their content ripped and viewed for free with tools like archive.is or people just posting the full text in comments on this forum even.

Subs only aren’t viable for publications with full staff imo

Re: Orion Browser by Kagi

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Post by armadyl »

WillAdams wrote: post #229
c16 wrote: post #116

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As an ad-blocker user for years, I agree. On the flip side, how do blogs, news, and every day ad-serving websites survive without them? If it dies, it dies? Maybe this is not a discussion for here right now. But it's definitely something I've thought of. Not everyone want to pay for news.

I would be fine with a mode where the ads were corralled at the bottom of the page, but not loaded, with a disclosure triangle which would then allow me the option of viewing them if the content was credible enough that it seemed to me that the site content creators could be trusted to have signed up for ads which might have merit.

99.9% of people would not intentionally enable ads even if they liked the content this is an insanely unrealistic option.

Re: Orion Browser by Kagi

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Post by dzonga »

matheusmoreira wrote: post #235
dzonga wrote: post #209

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If I put out a native ad - uBlock Origin won't work on it. since it's just an html tag or any other element. the ad industry at large has caused damage - for you to think ads are not beneficial and intrusive or mind rape as you call it - through excessive mining, data selling. but like an example - I gave - there's an article about cars - and in there there's a text item that says BMW or Cadillac has released a new V…

> If I put out a native ad - uBlock Origin won't work on it. since it's just an html tag or any other element. It absolutely will. I routinely block all sorts of elements on pages. If I think your is annoying, it will get zapped with extreme prejudice. > there's an article about cars - and in there there's a text item that says BMW or Cadillac has released a new V8 or electric sedans That's just normal information. I…

so when you come to HN - and there's a story on the 1st Page about a YC company hiring - that you can't comment on - but just click.

to you is that an AD ?

for all contexts and purposes it's an ad. is it intrusive ? no. that's just a native ad. are you gonna zap it ? most times - just leaving it there makes sense than going through the effort of using the ublock origin picker.

Re: Orion Browser by Kagi

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Post by hmokiguess »

plutokras wrote: post #224
hmokiguess wrote: post #217

I have permanently switched to https://github.com/imputnet/helium for a while now and have been quite happy with it. That said, I still think the browser market is garbage for consumers.

What's the unique value proposition here? I checked it out and seems like yet another Chromium fork with some privacy added on top.

It's kinda like ungoogled chromium with some defaults and opinions baked-in, the website explains better https://helium.computer/

Totally agree with you that is yet another fork with some privacy added on top, which is why I'm still not satisfied as a consumer with the market.

Re: Orion Browser by Kagi

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Post by catlikesshrimp »

Altern4tiveAcc wrote: post #188
matkoniecz wrote: post #169

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1) Yes, Russia is in fact worse than USA. This does not change that USA did and is doing evil things. 2) At least in my case Russia is directly targeting my country, while USA does not (in general, far away empires are less dangerous than nearby ones) 3) In addition Russia is more resource constrained so getting the same amount of funds benefits them more 4) USA is also doing plenty of non-evil things while for Russi…

> 1) Yes, Russia is in fact worse than USA. That really depends on where you live in the world. South Americans, Palestinians and Iranians would probably disagree with you.

"South Americans" Nobody in my country considers going to Russia. They did in the 80's, but not since the 90's. People still go to cuba to study, but many abandon what they consider intolerable conditions, and all those I know didn't have any desire to stay after their plans.

If you meant something else, excluding Venezuela, please tell me.

Re: Orion Browser by Kagi

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Post by sodapopcan »

freediver wrote: post #233
sodapopcan wrote: post #69

I paid the one-time fee that gives you lifetime access to it over a year ago and it's been at least a year that I haven't used it (It was like $270USD or something... I can't remember). I wanted to, and still want to, like it so badly but there were just too many bugs and I have been using Firefox since. Every once in a while I come back to Orion to see what's up... Now... this is likely going to sound extremely stup…

I appreciate that you are very particular about UI. Have you considered opening a thread on orionfeedback.org and sharing some of the thoughts/ideas? And thanks for the support, being completely user-funded is what makes developing Orion fun!

I have considered it, yes, lol. I'll do so. I've reported things in the past but I'm one of those people who feels like they're being a giant pain reporting too many things, especially something like this that I view as very low priority for most people. But hey, who knows!

Premature EDIT: oh, you're Vlad, lol. Thanks for the nudge! :D

Re: Orion Browser by Kagi

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Post by sodapopcan »

freediver wrote: post #233
sodapopcan wrote: post #69

I paid the one-time fee that gives you lifetime access to it over a year ago and it's been at least a year that I haven't used it (It was like $270USD or something... I can't remember). I wanted to, and still want to, like it so badly but there were just too many bugs and I have been using Firefox since. Every once in a while I come back to Orion to see what's up... Now... this is likely going to sound extremely stup…

I appreciate that you are very particular about UI. Have you considered opening a thread on orionfeedback.org and sharing some of the thoughts/ideas? And thanks for the support, being completely user-funded is what makes developing Orion fun!

Have you guys done any account pruning? I haven't logged in in a year and my creds no longer work.

Re: Orion Browser by Kagi

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Post by mightyham »

ninkendo wrote: post #244
mightyham wrote: post #198

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Except it is literally is just rational geopolitics. The story of the Russian invasion of Ukraine is not just a single whimsical choice by a mad dictator. There has been a decades long encirclement campaign by NATO which ultimately pushed too far. That's not to say that states joining NATO did not do so willingly and of their own accord, but that it played into a larger struggle for influence that disadvantaged Russi…

So let me see if I understand your argument here. Ukraine wanted to join NATO because it sees Russia as a threat (I dunno, maybe because Russia had just invaded Crimea and "annexed" it). Russia's response is to invade Ukraine, slaughtering countless civilians, and has stated that it wants to take more territory around other former-soviet states. And your reaction, to a country exercising its sovereignty, and another…

No, you clearly don't understand my argument.

Ukraine didn't just disadvantage their neighbor. In international affairs, red lines are a common tool for expressing acceptable bounds of negotiation. Russia made it very explicit that if Ukraine joined NATO there would be conflict. We live in the real world, and "sovereignty" is not real; nations are not unconstrained agents that can do whatever they please. They have to weigh the effects of their actions and be willing and capable of defending the consequences. This has been true for all of human history, has never changed, and likely never will. You simply deluded yourself into thinking otherwise.

I will also add that in the modern world, peace has largely been maintained because the value of international commerce is much greater than the value derived from conflict. Economic integration is the best recipe for enduring tranquility. However, the US has pursued broad economic sanctions against Russia since the annexation of Crimea, all but ensuring that an invasion of Ukraine would be a profitable (or at least not harmful). In other words, the United States miscalculated, overplayed it's hand in pursuing a containment strategy against Russia and ultimately invited violence.

Re: Orion Browser by Kagi

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Post by Altern4tiveAcc »

dzonga wrote: post #202
Altern4tiveAcc wrote: post #186

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> ads are not bad. Highly debatable, IMO. They're already a net negative for society on their own. We'd probably have a healthier Internet if ads didn't create incentives for social media companies to get their users addicted to serve them more ads.

remove the internet - forget the internet didn't exist. you will see why the publishing business runs on ads. see the world for what it is not what you want it to be. once people started publishing books or whatever in the 1600s - the world runs on ads. it's only in the last 30 years - when ads got a bad rap due to tech bros who don't didn't learn humanities

>remove the internet - forget the internet didn't exist.

Advertising as it exists today is tied to the Internet.

> you will see why the publishing business runs on ads.

And I maintain that tying business interests with advertising inevitably results in a conflict of interest between people producing goods and services, and people consuming them.

>it's only in the last 30 years - when ads got a bad rap

It's only natural that ads started being viewed in a more negative way as their effects were amplified by tech.

> due to tech bros who don't didn't learn humanities

Name calling doesn't add much to this discussion. My background is in humanities anyway.

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