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LG monitors silently install software through Windows Update without consent

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Re: LG monitors silently install software through Windows Update without consent

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> why would you use such a sleazy company's product for daily driving Because alternatives are much worse or not available for scenarios people need. There, I've said the obvious.

What scenarios? Like installing an up to date web browser in which the user does everything?

If browser is the only software you use, good for you.

Re: LG monitors silently install software through Windows Update without consent

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If this were a person doing this, they would be in jail.

Companies consist of people.

Nobody at this company will face any repercussions related to this. Feel free to reply to comment years from now if I'm proved incorrect.

Re: LG monitors silently install software through Windows Update without consent

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I find this hard to believe considering how bad the UIs are on phones and TVs. Even google.com does not offer feature parity between their desktop and mobile websites. My phone still didn't come with a functional paint or notepad apps. Google docs is a horrible experience on phones (but at least it works now - a few years ago it was straight up unusable). And you're telling me that this is the only computing platform…

My kid was in a ECE program at a top 25 university. About a third of their first year classmates did not know how to navigate a desktop file system. And these are the kids interested in tech. It’s far, far worse for the ones with no interest in tech. Tablets in school have left a generation of kids behind where the previous generation was.

I wonder if this is an American thing, because my nephews regularly use desktops and laptops. Tablets never caught on here though.

I was worried about this when they were younger though. The youngest played a lot of games only on a phone, but even he seems to have moved on from that.

Re: LG monitors silently install software through Windows Update without consent

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I find this hard to believe considering how bad the UIs are on phones and TVs. Even google.com does not offer feature parity between their desktop and mobile websites. My phone still didn't come with a functional paint or notepad apps. Google docs is a horrible experience on phones (but at least it works now - a few years ago it was straight up unusable). And you're telling me that this is the only computing platform…

> My phone still didn't come with a functional paint or notepad apps [...] And you're telling me that this is the only computing platform for a lot of people? How is everything still so unusable about it then? Not to sound harsh, but you come at this with an somewhat old perspective, the same one I grew up with too and probably also retain too much of. People don't open their phones looking for something like paint o…

I don't open my phone for notes or paint either, but sometimes I really need it. And then I am endlessly frustrated that the stuff we do get by default has half-baked functionality.

For example, the gallery app's image editor on my phone doesn't let me cut out a piece from the middle and then let me pull the sides together. Eg if I have a picture of a table and I want to cut out a certain column. This is super easy to do in paint, but on my phone I need to look for extra (ad-riddled) apps for that.

Also, there's no way that phones are mainly for social networks. It's estimated that there are 5.5-6 billion smartphone users.

Re: LG monitors silently install software through Windows Update without consent

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post #398

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I find this hard to believe considering how bad the UIs are on phones and TVs. Even google.com does not offer feature parity between their desktop and mobile websites. My phone still didn't come with a functional paint or notepad apps. Google docs is a horrible experience on phones (but at least it works now - a few years ago it was straight up unusable). And you're telling me that this is the only computing platform…

All that stuff actually works decently well on mobile... as long as one is willing to accept certain compromises. Note-taking works fine, in Google Keep, Apple Notes, or some other cloud equivalent. Yup, your data is in the cloud and owned by one of those tech megacorps, but most people just don't care. Basic photo editing works okay too, in Google Photos, Apple Photos, etc. Ditto the cloud stuff. What really makes m…

Does it work fine though? Because I haven't even heard of Google Keep, let alone have it installed.

If I need to take some notes I can't even imagine going to search through a store to find a note taking application since that should be a built in feature of every consumer OS.

The same goes for Google Photos. And I imagine that Google photos also doesn't let you edit it a column in the middle of a table. It's trivial to do in real life or in MSpaint or any real image editor but somehow exceeds the limits of mobile apps.

Re: LG monitors silently install software through Windows Update without consent

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I'm tired of everything being classified as "malware". The word has no meaning anymore. Malware can mean "zero-day state-sponsored ransomware attack" or it can mean "software was automatically installed by a trusted consumer-beloved company because they forgot to make an opt-out window" (which is what I'm guessing happened here).

LG hardware laying dormant for sometimes 3 years, then installing software through backchannels silently to record your voice continuously (if the monitor has a microphone, which some models do) and taking screenshots of your monitor content every 500ms, uploaded to their servers and likely shared with data brokers and the government qualifies as malware in my book.

Are you thinking of some other malware? There's nothing in the article that mentions ANY of those things. And considering you made your account 2 days ago, I wonder if you hallucinated it. :)

Re: LG monitors silently install software through Windows Update without consent

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post #474

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I don't understand how this is legal. Isn't this malware? Isn't it illegal to install malware on someone's computer without their permission? Or is this very illegal, but nobody cares about that anymore?

> Isn't this malware? The definition of malware was twisted by the tech giants to exclude their spying practices. Spyware is only spyware if it is not made or blessed by Microsoft, Google or Apple.

Strong "Our righteous telemetery vs Their barbaric spyware" vibes

Re: LG monitors silently install software through Windows Update without consent

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I've had plenty of issues on ~2y old hardware too. Does your laptop sleep properly, do the fans scale properly, do wireless chips like Bluetooth and wifi work right, does audio (incl over BT) work, and does it switch between graphics cards if applicable?

To be fair Windows also can't sleep properly.

Yeah that's kinda true, but Linux is worse about it. And Hackintosh is the ultimate in not sleeping. Users of both will still often claim their machine works perfectly, and when you ask about sleep, shrug and say sleep isn't needed.

Re: LG monitors silently install software through Windows Update without consent

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Yep. Not free-for-all, but silently installed crap collecting metrics is well within their expectations.

> Yep. Not free-for-all, but silently installed crap collecting metrics is well within their expectations. I don't expect software engineers to build stuff like this. I expect humans to treat other humans with dignity and respect. In fact, it makes me extremely angry when I see people do it, or advocate that others should tolerate it.

I don't think they should tolerate it, but they do. 0 people are going to leave Windows because of this latest scandal, because the ones who care have already left. At some point I accepted that this doesn't matter to a lot of people, which is their right and choice, and if Linux wants to attract users, it has to do it by being easier to use besides just being more ethical.

Re: LG monitors silently install software through Windows Update without consent

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post #398

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I find this hard to believe considering how bad the UIs are on phones and TVs. Even google.com does not offer feature parity between their desktop and mobile websites. My phone still didn't come with a functional paint or notepad apps. Google docs is a horrible experience on phones (but at least it works now - a few years ago it was straight up unusable). And you're telling me that this is the only computing platform…

All that stuff actually works decently well on mobile... as long as one is willing to accept certain compromises. Note-taking works fine, in Google Keep, Apple Notes, or some other cloud equivalent. Yup, your data is in the cloud and owned by one of those tech megacorps, but most people just don't care. Basic photo editing works okay too, in Google Photos, Apple Photos, etc. Ditto the cloud stuff. What really makes m…

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