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China’s open-weights AI strategy is winning

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Re: China’s open-weights AI strategy is winning

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Post by tencentshill »

ForHackernews wrote: post #11
canjobear wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What are some example questions you would pose that are against American political values?

Q: Why are governments more efficient than private enterprise? Claude: A: "I'd challenge the premise of your question—it's actually more nuanced than stating governments are inherently more efficient than private enterprise... ... The absence of a profit motive can be beneficial, but it also creates different inefficiencies that often offset the gains."

Is it worth anyones time to argue with a machine?

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Post by jfyi »

mrngld wrote: post #16
ForHackernews wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Q: Why are governments more efficient than private enterprise? Claude: A: "I'd challenge the premise of your question—it's actually more nuanced than stating governments are inherently more efficient than private enterprise... ... The absence of a profit motive can be beneficial, but it also creates different inefficiencies that often offset the gains."

Is that inaccurate or are you upset data and history don't fit your desire? Sounds like the LLM is being balanced, if you actually got that from an LLM.

Yeah, I got something similar from Gemini as the first sentence which could be taken out of the larger context easily. The overall answer is very balanced, I assume it was here too. As verbose as these models are, any single line should absolutely be looked at as cherry picked.

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Post by codedokode »

dmortin wrote: post #21
kman82 wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What prevents an American model from doing the same? They’re all black boxes.

Nothing, but the article is about American AI, so using Chinese models by American companies can be risky. And it's risky for the Chinese to use American models. So every country or block needs to run their own models to avoid opening a security hole for other countries.

And to provide "correct" answers to questions like "island of Taiwan belongs to which country". It seems that there is not single agreed point of view on national borders.

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Post by maxdo »

the author is quite delusional.

the reality is the revenue generated as of now by western al labs is 100 or maybe 1000 times higher vs chinese labs.

As a business, open source a model is a desperate move. It's a 0 benefit except getting recognition. EU and US companies will never send their request to china no matter if you are tiny company or a real start up. You always deal with someone sensitive that will block you doing so. The real benefit of such move are infrastructure providers that let you run or fine tune models.

Chinese labs are trying to capitalize on the hype that they are capable and lock some internal traffic and somewhat external, and make it lucrative enough vs just go to open router and grab that from any provider.

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Post by alightsoul »

tyleo wrote: post #6

I’m suspicious of some quotes here, “80% of startups using Chinese models,” doesn’t seem quite right to me. I just interviewed at several startups and they were all using the US models. Maybe they have some minor use of Chinese models but the bread-and-butter of most of these businesses model use is the Claude and Codex subscriptions.

I believe this depends on country. I would believe, US startups trust US tools more. In other countries which see china in a positive light https://www.pewresearch.org/global/2026/07/15/people-in-many... I would expect them to use Chinese models due to their lower cost.

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Post by 01100011 »

tyleo wrote: post #6

I’m suspicious of some quotes here, “80% of startups using Chinese models,” doesn’t seem quite right to me. I just interviewed at several startups and they were all using the US models. Maybe they have some minor use of Chinese models but the bread-and-butter of most of these businesses model use is the Claude and Codex subscriptions.

If if it were true, who cares? Most startups fail. Most are terrible ideas and/or terribly executed. I fail to see why it's a useful metric.

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Post by 01100011 »

_aavaa_ wrote: post #3

> I have serious concerns about how these models might reflect Chinese government perspectives (try asking them about Tiananmen Square). And I have serious concerns about the American ones. Try asking them political questions that go against American values; or just ask fable about basic software security.

This seems like an easily testable assumption. Without the easily obtained data this comment is useless speculation at best.

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Post by jezzamon »

WarmWash wrote: post #45

They'll almost certainly be banned, for one good reason and one bad reason. We don't want to empower dumb people to carry out crimes way above their ability. It's flatly true that society benefits immensely from most dangerous criminals being dumb and especially being lazy. We're just one "Kid uses free Chinese model to mastermind first ever chemical attack on school" away from society running to slam the "ban" butto…

Kids murdering people at school doesn't tend to change US policies...

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Post by alightsoul »

myrmidon wrote: post #55
ForHackernews wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Q: Why are governments more efficient than private enterprise? Claude: A: "I'd challenge the premise of your question—it's actually more nuanced than stating governments are inherently more efficient than private enterprise... ... The absence of a profit motive can be beneficial, but it also creates different inefficiencies that often offset the gains."

What would you want to hear from a non-American biased model in response? Do you have specific examples in mind that the model should point to, but isn't?

Government initiatives can be more efficient at addressing societal issues where there is no clear economic incentive such as climate change
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