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Re: Orion Browser by Kagi

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Post by zargon »

dewey wrote: post #216
mghackerlady wrote: post #210

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I mean, at this point Kagi could probably start their own, and there are plenty of smaller indexes (Mojeek, Yep, and Marginalia come to mind)

Bigger search engines have a lot of custom integrations that are not just crawling the clear web. You have a lot of benefits from collecting data for a longer time in this market. I've often switched between Google and DDG but always came back to Google as in direct comparisons I was always not finding the right results in DDG. Kagi is the first time that I have not switched back a single time as nothing changed nega…

In practice it is no longer actually possible to create a new search index with anywhere near the breadth of Google, regardless of the amount of resources you have available. Google (and to a lesser extant the couple of other historic engines) are entrenched enough to be allowed access by webmasters in robots.txt. And in the new era of mass abusive scraping by LLM companies, there's no longer the option to ignore robots.txt and scrape anyway, as sites do anything and everything they can to block any and all scrapers besides those already firmly entrenched.

Re: Orion Browser by Kagi

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Post by loehnsberg »

matkoniecz wrote: post #171
loehnsberg wrote: post #151

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Getting from using Yandex to funding Putin‘s war requires quite a few turns. Since most of Russia’s war chest is filled by money from oil exports and China indirectly also supports Russia materially, I would first cut myself off of all oil-based products, and then from the Chinese supply chain of goods, and only then cut products indluding Yandex search results. In that order, because that matters for the war chest.…

> send a postcard with your apology to the Kagi team why? Kagi is not entitled to be paid by them, and on free market they are free to not buy a commercial product and use alternatives and avoiding Kagi is trivial to achieve while avoiding products that were produced with oil in some way is impossible

Why? Because the claim is that they 'fund' the war by paying Yandex.

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Post by WarmWash »

mightyham wrote: post #198
ninkendo wrote: post #168

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Framing Russia’s unprovoked invasion of their neighbor as “politics” actually makes me less trusting of Kagi than before I read your link. It’s really not a good look. Maybe english is not his first language, but at least in America we use the word “politics” to describe things like party association, arguing over wedge issues, treating elections as a “team sport”, rhetoric, etc. We don’t use it to describe an attemp…

Except it is literally is just rational geopolitics. The story of the Russian invasion of Ukraine is not just a single whimsical choice by a mad dictator. There has been a decades long encirclement campaign by NATO which ultimately pushed too far. That's not to say that states joining NATO did not do so willingly and of their own accord, but that it played into a larger struggle for influence that disadvantaged Russi…

Bro watched a hot take youtube video and now is a geopolitical genius.

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Post by andrewl-hn »

TheDong wrote: post #83
villish wrote: post #11

The best feature is being able to use Firefox extensions and thus uBlock Origin and sponsorblock on iOS. It's a little buggy but worth it for me.

You can also do that with reynard [0], and eventually firefox itself [1], if you just move to the EU or Japan. Or switch to android, an operating system that didn't need government intervention to let you install a browser engine. [0]: https://github.com/minh-ton/reynard-browser [1]: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1882872

Just so you know, "move to Europe" is pretty complicated inside Apple ecosystem. You can't move your App Store account from one country to another while you have any subscriptions active. You cancel them, wait for them to expire, and only then you can switch. So, for example, if you subscribed to an app yearly in January, and then cancelled your subscription in May, you still have to wait until January of next year. Very annoying in practice.

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Post by lesostep »

dzonga wrote: post #202
Altern4tiveAcc wrote: post #186

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> ads are not bad. Highly debatable, IMO. They're already a net negative for society on their own. We'd probably have a healthier Internet if ads didn't create incentives for social media companies to get their users addicted to serve them more ads.

remove the internet - forget the internet didn't exist. you will see why the publishing business runs on ads. see the world for what it is not what you want it to be. once people started publishing books or whatever in the 1600s - the world runs on ads. it's only in the last 30 years - when ads got a bad rap due to tech bros who don't didn't learn humanities

>> once people started publishing books or whatever in the 1600s - the world runs on ads.

I remember seeing old books (early victorian era) that were printed with healthy "subsidize" from the ad revenue. They honestly looked very much alike any site without ad blocker looks now. And I had the feeling that some content of the book was sponsored as well. Kept mentioning specific shops by name.

I wonder what did we do right, to stop books from looking like that? Maybe it could help us fix internet issues.

Re: Orion Browser by Kagi

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Post by nklmilojevic »

technovangelist wrote: post #73

I only started using it about 6 months ago so I don't know what it was like before, but today it's a solid choice. far less problematic than Chrome or Firefox or Arc or Dia or Brave or any of the other browsers I had on my system. Orion was the first browser that let me delete all the rest and haven't run into any issues in months. Some of the other comments show they hadn't used it in a long time. 1Password works pe…

which 1password extension works perfectly?

I have the latest Orion browser and it is buggy like before - sometimes doesn't show up, it has like 5fps and works half of the time.

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Post by curiouscats »

mghackerlady wrote: post #210
dewey wrote: post #112

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I feel it’s more a failure of regulation, it’s almost impossible to become a new search engine these days without using an existing index. There’s not many choices for that, Google won’t give you the data, Bing won’t so there’s basically only Yandex left. I’m sure if there was an open, comparable index they would happily just use that but if you want to change the landscape and slowly build up your own index you’ll h…

I mean, at this point Kagi could probably start their own, and there are plenty of smaller indexes (Mojeek, Yep, and Marginalia come to mind)

Or create a new partnership with various like minded organizations and create a new index that each can use in their own way (perhaps those you mention plus DuckDuckGo and others that my brain isn't bringing to mind right now [maybe Wikipedia, EFF, internet archive, maybe Nebius would help...]).

I know this wouldn't be easy but maybe such an arrangement would be possible where there is some shared index and then the partners can each use it, extend it... in their own way.

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Post by midnightbobarun »

matheusmoreira wrote: post #92
yellowapple wrote: post #81

The Linux beta feels nice. Built-in ad-blocking and nested vertical tabs satisfies the two main things keeping me on Firefox (unnerfed uBlock Origin and Tree Style Tabs, respectively). Some things feel like obvious oversights, like the lack of “Search for...” when right-clicking on selected text. Also some of the settings pages are broken (like the one with per-site settings), though I assume this is just a quirk of…

> Built-in ad-blocking Definitely enjoying this trend. I think Brave was the first to do it, and now Kagi is doing it too in their own browser. The web without adblocking is so unusable it might as well be considered broken. Ad blockers are the new popup blockers: they should be built into the browsers themselves as first class features. Only conflicts of interest prevented that. Couldn't trust a company funded by Go…

I also like the more browsers have built-in adblock, but so far I've never seen any of them copy uBlock Origin's "element picker" (the little eyedropper tool) feature... it's good for getting rid of annoying stuff on certain websites and only uBlock Origin seems to do it. :(

Re: Orion Browser by Kagi

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Post by mediumsmart »

kqp wrote: post #138
mediumsmart wrote: post #78

Using it for years on iOS and Mac. Works great and the only zero telemetry browser. Apple Pay works and the compatibility button fixes any problem site worth loading. No complaints.

Not only. Others include LibreWolf, Waterfox, Zen, Tor, I’m sure others.

fair enough - librewolf - same as Orion: 18.29 fingerprint uniqueness - I dont know the other browsers except Tor. I use librewolf too with privacy badger and librejs - good browser

Re: Orion Browser by Kagi

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Post by mghackerlady »

curiouscats wrote: post #257
mghackerlady wrote: post #210

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I mean, at this point Kagi could probably start their own, and there are plenty of smaller indexes (Mojeek, Yep, and Marginalia come to mind)

Or create a new partnership with various like minded organizations and create a new index that each can use in their own way (perhaps those you mention plus DuckDuckGo and others that my brain isn't bringing to mind right now [maybe Wikipedia, EFF, internet archive, maybe Nebius would help...]). I know this wouldn't be easy but maybe such an arrangement would be possible where there is some shared index and then the…

I could see a collaborative open source web index run by the WMF, Internet Archive, EFF, GNU, DuckDuckGo, and Kagi being too big to simply ignore like a previous commenter suggested might happen to a new index. I could also see Qwant being interested
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