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> already ran out of gasoline A bit of exaggeration there.
Why can't people buy gasoline in Russia?
Ukrainian drones took out the refineries.
US gas prices hit an average of $4 a gallon again
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Re: US gas prices hit an average of $4 a gallon again
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Yeah but just think how fast those electric trucks would roll out. I can live on what's in my pantry for a few months.
I don't think electric trucks are actually ready for the realities of long haul trucking, especially in a country as expansive as the US.
Re: US gas prices hit an average of $4 a gallon again
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Even big pickups get better mileage than 12mpg
Some do, some don't. As a concrete example, the F150 [1] pretty reliably doesn't. Big SUVs like the Jeep Wrangler can be pretty far down there too. [1]: https://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/noframes/50104.shtml
Oh interesting, I had thought the F150 was one of the better ones but I obviously need to update my priors. Thanks for the link!
Re: US gas prices hit an average of $4 a gallon again
#84Good thing we have a subsidy to encourage people to buy EVs. Ohh wait… I suspect the price will be directly subsidized to keep folks happy. Since we’re in wacky world this subsidy will be inconsistent depending on where you are. Blue States will be left with gas going to 6$ or more and Red States will probably have prices subsidized down to 4$.
That has already happened. Lower state gas taxes and friendly to refineries on their land = cheaper gas. Oil is already heavily, heavily subsidized: https://e360.yale.edu/digest/republican-spending-bill-fossil... That one alone is over $100 per person per year, so we all paid extra, even those who don't drive. Even with all that we're still at $4/gal.
Here’s a more direct example.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2026/07/08/trum...
Looks like the gas stations are selling at cost or taking a small loss.
Re: US gas prices hit an average of $4 a gallon again
#85It should be $200 per gallon, we need to reduce depenency on petrol!
People will just buy diesel cars then. That happened in Europe, people bought diesel cars because it was cheaper, because of taxes. Not great for the environment. Make $200 per gallon of diesel? This has the potential to collapse entire economies. Shipping will be more expensive, which will in turn make everything more expensive. Food will be more expensive too, tractors use diesel. Few things don't depend on diesel…
We already have electric tractors trailers. It would end up being cheaper in the long run.
Re: US gas prices hit an average of $4 a gallon again
#86Crazy how cheap gasoline is in USA. $4 is still basically half as much as anywhere in Europe even when there isn't a war.
It's not cheap when your budgeting depended on how much it cost before. Americans are mostly poor, however else we look to you across the ocean.
We don't have cool trains and double-deckers that you guys are accustomed to. Different can of worms, I know. Our own doing.
Re: US gas prices hit an average of $4 a gallon again
#87That is 0.923 Euros a Liter according to Google. That's dirt cheap.
How many liters per 100 km does a typical US car consume?
My wife drives a VW that's built locally in Tennessee. The engine is from Mexico, the transmission used be from Japan. I think it's a Korean unit now produced on a license.
Optimistically, it drinks about 11L per 100KM. Stop and go will severely increase consumption.
It's a large car to you, but it's kind of midsize here.
Re: US gas prices hit an average of $4 a gallon again
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Yeah but just think how fast those electric trucks would roll out. I can live on what's in my pantry for a few months.
I don't think electric trucks are actually ready for the realities of long haul trucking, especially in a country as expansive as the US.
They're not ready, that's the point. An incentive like $200 gas is what's missing.
Re: US gas prices hit an average of $4 a gallon again
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Even big pickups get better mileage than 12mpg
Some do, some don't. As a concrete example, the F150 [1] pretty reliably doesn't. Big SUVs like the Jeep Wrangler can be pretty far down there too. [1]: https://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/noframes/50104.shtml
That is surprisingly bad. My substantially larger Ram 3500 dually gets 15mpg even when loaded with 4000lb of cargo in the bed. Towing a trailer I get about 14mpg, unless there is a substantial headwind (since the trailer is much taller than the truck), that is the only scenario where it drops to near 12mpg.
Re: US gas prices hit an average of $4 a gallon again
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There's a Jevons Paradox type thing where they ended up spending roughly the same to travel a mile due to Japan or the EU pushing for efficiency due to needing to import the fuel (might be visible in California too due to them fighting their geography that causes smog). Possibly the EU is pulling ahead on price per mile now with the shift to EVs.
Wait until you hear about German electricity prices... (household elec is about 30-35c/kWh, public charging stations for electric cars often charge 60-70c/kWh, no joke, although I think some vendors now offer 40c charging with a subscription)
Wait until you hear about California electricity prices...
This is from a recent PG&E bill from my house:
Peak pricing: 0.48575 delivery + 0.14920 generation = $0.635 kWh
It seems to have gone down a bit this year though. These are the numbers from 2024:
Peak pricing: 0.53 + 0.183 = $0.71 kWh