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Sealed tomb filled with paintings and inscriptions discovered in Egypt

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Re: Sealed tomb filled with paintings and inscriptions discovered in Egypt

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Post by suddenlybananas »

adolph wrote: post #53
janandonly wrote: post #17

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Why would they? She was of Greek origin, a descendant from Alexander’s general Ptolemy.

Her family had been in Egypt for 250 years, that's a long time for genetic admixture. Otoh, Continuing the tradition established by previous Egyptian dynasties, the Ptolemies engaged in inbreeding including sibling marriage, with many of the pharaohs being married to their siblings and often co-ruling with them. Ptolemy I Soter (305–282 BC) [... 20 people ...] Cleopatra VII Thea Philopator (51–30 BC) https://en.wikip…

>Her family had been in Egypt for 250 years, that's a long time for genetic admixture

But Egyptians themselves weren't black either. There was one black dynasty from Kush, but "indigenous" Egyptians themselves weren't black.

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Post by dylan604 »

consp wrote: post #5
happa wrote: post #3

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What's the moral guidance and purpose of a tomb of someone who's mourning has passed for over 3 millennia and who has been forgotten due to time?

well, it's clear from the objects still being in the tombs when the raiders came to plunder that they dead did not take the items into the afterlife with them. This clearly shows they are not being used by the original owners.

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Post by inglor_cz »

rkuska wrote: post #11
killingtime74 wrote: post #4

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I was just thinking this, do we regularly breaking into tombs in the rest of the world? I guess some of the cathedrals themselves are tombs and are big tourist attractions.

There is a park in my city that used to be the city cemetery. They moved the cemetery to a new place due to capacity and turned the original one into a park. I think it is a very common practice. Everyone will be forgotten eventually, no matter the fame. https://cs.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tyr%C5%A1%C5%AFv_sad_(Brno-Vev...

Same in Ostrava:

https://cs.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sad_Milady_Horákové_(Ostrava)

Re: Sealed tomb filled with paintings and inscriptions discovered in Egypt

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Post by exhumet »

Leonard_of_Q wrote: post #10
happa wrote: post #3

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When referring to really ancient tombs you're fortunately in a diminishingly small minority or we wouldn't know a fraction about some culture's history compared to what we know now. Whether it is Egyptian tombs like this one, Viking burial mounds, stone age Dolmen or any of the other ancient burial sites, those are where much of the knowledge of these cultures come from.

ive been to a few dolmen and places like those, a lot of them were already desecrated thousands of years ago and then desecrated again 2000 years ago etc. id much rather have those bones and artifacts dug up and placed somewhere they wont be destroyed and the symbolism of the structure can still remain to be appreciated.

Re: Sealed tomb filled with paintings and inscriptions discovered in Egypt

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Post by geokon »

suddenlybananas wrote: post #60
geokon wrote: post #19

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In Paris they use the corpse of their heroes like Voltaire and Napoleon to flease tourists of their Euros Using a tomb to expand our knowledge of the ancient world seems like small potatoes in comparison. Overton window is already far off

How is the Pantheon and the Invalides any different from a cemetery? Do you think the mere act of visiting a burial site is immoral?

A cemetery that charges an entrance fee..

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Post by HarHarVeryFunny »

happa wrote: post #3

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IMO once anyone living has given up caring about you it's fine, and in particular once your burial site has been long forgotten and becomes an archeological discovery then that requirement has generally been satisfied (outside of a few cultures).

Re: Sealed tomb filled with paintings and inscriptions discovered in Egypt

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Post by suddenlybananas »

geokon wrote: post #65
suddenlybananas wrote: post #60

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How is the Pantheon and the Invalides any different from a cemetery? Do you think the mere act of visiting a burial site is immoral?

A cemetery that charges an entrance fee..

Plenty of high-profile cemeteries do, Highgate Cemetery in London for example charges a fee despite just being a normal (if high-profile) cemetery. The French don't charge for access to Père-Lachaise however, which is the rough equivalent in Paris.

St. Paul's in London has tombs in it, and it charges a fee! It's a super normal practice.

How else could you manage the amount of people who would go?

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Post by IAmBroom »

criddell wrote: post #55
thinkingemote wrote: post #14

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Nothing remains here - only walls. Most of these tombs have already, since ancient times, been looted and desecrated and most things inside including any human remains have long since been removed. It looks like this tomb is also in this category as all that remains of note are on the walls which cannot be easily removed. I seem to recall a story that even at the time when they were building pyramids in ancient Egypt…

If the tomb has been looted and desecrated, then in what sense is it sealed ? Edit: I'm asking about the title of this article.

That's the point GP was making.

Re: Sealed tomb filled with paintings and inscriptions discovered in Egypt

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Post by Loughla »

acheron wrote: post #49
jrapdx3 wrote: post #28

The value of exploring tombs for the purpose of illuminating ancient cultures is inestimable. It seems humans have always been happy desecrating burial sites if not for treasure then to prove dominance over another tribe or nation. Of course some exploitation is beyond permissible. Back in the 18th and 19th centuries there was an artist's pigment called Mummy Brown. It was sold for many decades, a rich, transparent b…

It’s not actually a rule that every HN thread has to start out with negative bullshit. You can just think it’s cool they found a new tomb!

HN is really good at contrary takes, regardless of the topic. I'm sure I've done some. I guess there's value in seeing the other side of most issues, but sometimes it does feel pretty knee-jerky.

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Post by IAmBroom »

dsign wrote: post #7
consp wrote: post #5

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What's the moral guidance and purpose of a tomb of someone who's mourning has passed for over 3 millennia and who has been forgotten due to time?

This. Forgetting is the biggest crime. Anything in the other direction is atoning.

Recite for me the names of even 100 people you have known who have died.

Otherwise, you are a terrible "criminal" by your own standard.

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