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Re: Moonshine: Lets you stream games from your PC to any device running Moonlight

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Post by Grombobulous »

Gigachad wrote: post #36
Grombobulous wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's not too bad, being able to go all the way back to an RTX20XX or RX 6000 series is pretty old for the kind of person looking to stream some games. If you go back much further your client device might just have enough horsepower to run the game you're trying to play without streaming at all!

I've been streaming from an RX5700 XT which is something like 20x more powerful than my steam deck I'm trying to stream to.

20x is a huge exaggeration. It’s more like 5x in hypothetical flops.

For example, in Elden Ring an optimized 800p with mixed low to medium settings will hit 45 FPS.

On a 5700XT you’re looking at the high 90fps range for 1080p medium settings.

So it’s really in all practical purposes 2-3 times better and your steam deck has a maximum refresh rate of 90Hz anyway. On a screen that size you’ll barely see the difference between medium and ultra settings.

Something notable is that because of how math maths, 45FPS is a LOT better looking than 30FPS.

Finally, I’ll point out that anyone with hardware this old still has the option of using normal sunshine. Or you can just get a 6000 series card, the difference in cost between a 6600XT and a 5700XT is less than $50.

Re: Moonshine: Lets you stream games from your PC to any device running Moonlight

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Post by BrokenCogs »

Philpax wrote: post #102
hgaiser wrote: post #88

Ah so this is where the influx of activity comes from.. Hi, creator of Moonshine here. I'll try to answer some common questions here instead of replying the same thing everywhere: What is it? At it's core it's similar to Sunshine but with one important difference: Moonshine creates its own compositor and does not rely on an existing desktop environment. The benefits: - You do not need a running desktop environment: i…

I discovered Moonshine last night [0] as a result of frustration with Sunshine's many flaws on Linux, and I'm loving it so far. Thank you for your work! [0]: https://bsky.app/profile/philpax.me/post/3mqzrgzitm22f

What issues are you having with Sunshine? It works on Linux (Ubuntu desktop) for me out of the box

Re: Moonshine: Lets you stream games from your PC to any device running Moonlight

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Post by kristofferR »

anaisbetts wrote: post #77
klipklop wrote: post #45

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Woof, so which one is the “good” one?

Apollo solves many issues that Sunshine has on Windows. If your host is Windows, a correctly configured Apollo (i.e. where virtual monitor is enabled) will be a way less frustrating experience.

And Vibepollo solves many issues Apollo has

Re: Moonshine: Lets you stream games from your PC to any device running Moonlight

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Post by dpoloncsak »

somat wrote: post #28
PalmPilotProMax wrote: post #25

So, to sum up: First there was Nvidia Gamestream, which was proprietary and later deprecated by Nvidia themselves. Then came Sunshine and Moonlight, open source server and client implementations of the protocol to allow low latency streaming for all platforms. Along the way the Game on Whales project started, to allow multi seat streaming plus virtual displays so currently logged in user sessions aren't impacted. Bas…

The steam link actual. While the hardware is no longer being sold the software sort of lives on. In an android app among other things. Tangentially it almost feels like steam could make a stadia like thing work. They have most of the moving parts including crucially, the bit google didn't, an established base of customers. Tomorrow steam could introduce a "play your games anywhere on any hardware" feature and no one…

Steam Link has saved my ass more times than I can count.

VPN having issues, can't connect to any of my stack? Atleast I have a desktop on my LAN I can remote into...from my phone...

Basically anytime I have network issues while I'm away, reliable Steam Link connects me back to my infra ~97% of the time.

Re: Moonshine: Lets you stream games from your PC to any device running Moonlight

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Post by [deleted] »

remix2000 wrote: post #79
mijoharas wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

OK, so to clarify, it's Sunshine (game streaming server) but headless for linux. So if I used sunshine, and streamed a game, the display of the box running sunshine would be showing the game? and this moonshine allows us to do away with that, to be able to run headless, or to run multiple games at once or something? Is that correct?

But Sunshine _is_ headless, I would know if it weren't, I'm using it as such (albeit with a dummy plug, but that's just a hardware limitation).

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Re: Moonshine: Lets you stream games from your PC to any device running Moonlight

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Post by dpoloncsak »

remix2000 wrote: post #79
mijoharas wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

OK, so to clarify, it's Sunshine (game streaming server) but headless for linux. So if I used sunshine, and streamed a game, the display of the box running sunshine would be showing the game? and this moonshine allows us to do away with that, to be able to run headless, or to run multiple games at once or something? Is that correct?

But Sunshine _is_ headless, I would know if it weren't, I'm using it as such (albeit with a dummy plug, but that's just a hardware limitation).

You're technically right, and I appreciate your comment, but it's funny to me to be like 'It is headless! It just needs a fake head!'

Re: Moonshine: Lets you stream games from your PC to any device running Moonlight

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Post by tencentshill »

somat wrote: post #28
PalmPilotProMax wrote: post #25

So, to sum up: First there was Nvidia Gamestream, which was proprietary and later deprecated by Nvidia themselves. Then came Sunshine and Moonlight, open source server and client implementations of the protocol to allow low latency streaming for all platforms. Along the way the Game on Whales project started, to allow multi seat streaming plus virtual displays so currently logged in user sessions aren't impacted. Bas…

The steam link actual. While the hardware is no longer being sold the software sort of lives on. In an android app among other things. Tangentially it almost feels like steam could make a stadia like thing work. They have most of the moving parts including crucially, the bit google didn't, an established base of customers. Tomorrow steam could introduce a "play your games anywhere on any hardware" feature and no one…

They also have datacenters in most major cities, so latency would be minimal. They're one of the only services that allows me to actually saturate my home internet bandwidth. But hosting game data and actually running the games is a lot different.

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Post by YmiYugy »

jdiff wrote: post #94
pxndxx wrote: post #75

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The cloud is just someone else's computer. Do you think there's spare GPU compute available during the AI craze?

I think there's a lot of spare GPU compute. I don't think it'd be made available for this, or if it was, I believe it'd most likely be from a company that won't survive the AI bust. But I think there's a lot of spare compute sitting idle out there. If there weren't, I think token prices would be higher than they are, downtime would be higher than it is, and there would be far fewer free tiers or more restrictions on…

I don’t think there is a ton of spare capacity. But even if there was the machines are designed for AI not gaming, e.g. low CPU clocks, the GPUs don’t have RT cores or video encoders, etc. Stadia had custom hardware, GeForce Now uses workstation GPUs, xCloud has custom servers. Gaming also isn’t a good use for spare capacity. Demand is very spiky and people don’t have a lot of time flexibility.
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