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Post by poncho_romero »

letmevoteplease wrote: post #218
lp4v4n wrote: post #102

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The pessimism in the comments here is entirely the reflection of the times we're living in. Technology got weaponized against the average citizen. It has become a synonym for unemployment, enshittification, mass surveillance and social erosion. If this video appeared in 60's or 70's, people would be in awe imagining the future where robots do everything.

"the future where robots do everything" and "unemployment" are the same thing

Yes but unemployment where a small cadre of rich elites own the robots and the rest of us are serfs is very different from the public owning and benefiting from the robots in the form of strong social services and UBI.

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Post by bryanlarsen »

throwaway-11-1 wrote: post #240
idiotsecant wrote: post #220

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It's possible to intelligently discuss the merits of Chinese society and also acknowledge that it's a brutal autocracy. Making some kind of equivalence of the two in terms of the rights of the individual is so ridiculous that nobody is going to take anything you say after that seriously, you do your arguments a disservice by doing it.

The rights of which individuals? You’re familiar with nspm-7, right?

That you can freely talk about nspm-7 on an American forum without fear of being disappeared shows that America and China are not at the same level.

Yet.

Re: Xiaomi-Robotics-1

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Post by poncho_romero »

rvz wrote: post #136
user_7832 wrote: post #64

I'm not sure why some comments here are so pessimistic. I was grinning ear to ear while seeing the video. You're telling me we've finally got robots that can do our laundry? And the model is at least as free as beer? To quote the lyrics/meme, we used to pray for times like this . This is what robotics should be used for.

> I'm not sure why some comments here are so pessimistic. Time and time and time and time and time again, technologists are always naïve to never realize that the road to hell is paved with good intentions. I am expecting the opposite effect to happen with the actual use of robotics. Mass displacement of every sector of labor. This is not ruled out.

Mass displacement of every sector of labour. Dissent policed by Boston Dynamic's robodogs. You will own nothing and be happy.

Re: Xiaomi-Robotics-1

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Post by versteegen »

bob778 wrote: post #238
Gareth321 wrote: post #216

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It's strange because my impression has been pro-Chinese comments on HN. I suppose it depends on the topic, the time of day, and how many bots each government is employing on a given day for the key words and their compute budget. This submission seams rather balanced to me.

Is there evidence of any state-sponsored bots at all? It seems like this has become an accepted fact but I don’t see any data indicating it’s actually real.

Pretty sure there isn't.

HN has lots of hellbanned bots lately (I have showdead on [1]) but I never notice ones pushing a political slant. But I suppose nation states conducting a campaign on Hacker News would be much too cunning to make the bots obvious

[1] because many posts get wrongly flagged, apparently in part by trigger-happy users who will flag anything with incidental similarities to AI prose (everyone, PLEASE STOP DOING THAT), in part because HN's automoderation is severe for new users, and in part because plenty of people get hellbanned either unfairly or although they do still write plenty of worthwhile posts. I even rescued someone who it turned out had been hellbanned by a mod by accident.

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Post by cultofmetatron »

bryanlarsen wrote: post #252
throwaway-11-1 wrote: post #240

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The rights of which individuals? You’re familiar with nspm-7, right?

That you can freely talk about nspm-7 on an American forum without fear of being disappeared shows that America and China are not at the same level. Yet.

"Yet" is the keyword. it won't be long before we arent' any different from china at the rate we are going at and I think a lot of us would be better off preventing the west from turning into an oppressive autocracy instead of judging china.

Re: Xiaomi-Robotics-1

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Post by mghackerlady »

snovv_crash wrote: post #13
michaelhoney wrote: post #10

Watching the two-handed robot has me thinking that a third hand, perhaps with a different set of capabilities (like a tentacle grip) might make many tasks easier. I realise that more limbs = more problems, but even so, having additional ways to hold and turn things would be a big help.

Anybody who worked on a car knows an extra hand would always be helpful.

I feel like there'll soon be a market for AI controlled enhancements like limbs. Neural interfaces seem to be a long shot, at least for now, so some kind of AI that senses the environment and intelligently react to it seems like the next best thing

Re: Xiaomi-Robotics-1

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Post by mghackerlady »

TeMPOraL wrote: post #101
thrdbndndn wrote: post #55

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Better analogy would be that even though the coffee machine is still worse, we choose it because it's more convenient (at least I think that's the case).

It's cheaper . That's, like, the only reason ever the mass market adopts any alternative. And usually better, too.

Anecdotal, but the best machine will never be able to do something as good as the best human in most circumstances. That is because, unlike machines, humans have passions and character that subtly imbues itself in the end result. This, of course, isn't limited to coffee, but to anything a machine could do that isn't strictly tied to exercises in logic (for example, computers will always be better than humans at most games because they can be analysed logically and acted upon)

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Post by owebmaster »

mghackerlady wrote: post #257
TeMPOraL wrote: post #101

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's cheaper . That's, like, the only reason ever the mass market adopts any alternative. And usually better, too.

Anecdotal, but the best machine will never be able to do something as good as the best human in most circumstances. That is because, unlike machines, humans have passions and character that subtly imbues itself in the end result. This, of course, isn't limited to coffee, but to anything a machine could do that isn't strictly tied to exercises in logic (for example, computers will always be better than humans at most…

> for example, computers will always be better than humans at most games because they can be analysed logically and acted upon

This made me wonder how we can imbue some of the the reasoning in your post to it. A game that values human ingenuity

Re: Xiaomi-Robotics-1

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Post by mghackerlady »

Cthulhu_ wrote: post #100
____mr____ wrote: post #47

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saw the way it folded the clothes and thought "better than me" :/

I'm not sure what the :/ implies, but if you're disappointed by your own folding techniques, spend a bit of time on it, look up some guides, and fold clothes with purpose. or something. (Rise up against the machines! Folding your own clothes is an act of resistance!)

I've always taken :/ to be a kind of hopeless dejection mixed with apathy. In this case, it seems to convey their disappointment in their skills as well as the futility of improving

Re: Xiaomi-Robotics-1

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Post by thegrim33 »

baal80spam wrote: post #224
mlrtime wrote: post #176

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There has not been a pro-US exceptionalism tone in any HN thread in awhile. Go to any thread recently and it's pretty anti-capitalism/anti-US.

I've definitely noticed even more than that - any submissions painting the current USA in a good light are instantly and mercilessly buried (you can check my submissions for examples), while anything even remotely on the "USA bad" side gets to the top. It's really a sad state of affairs.

aka this very thread - top comment and most of the entire comment section has been taken over by literally "how dare anyone say anything even remotely negative about China, what's wrong with you".
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