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Airbus Takes Flight from AWS

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Re: Airbus Takes Flight from AWS

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US tech does not understand or comprehend the amount of damage they’ve self inflicted in the last couple of years. There will be a steady drip of this in years to come, I suspect.

US Tech does understand, US Administration does not.

Trump wrecks everything he touches.

Re: Airbus Takes Flight from AWS

#122
post #46

I don't fully understand why companies use AWS. Is it a management driven or engineering driven decision? I assume management - in big companies some exec from Amazon comes to play golf, and in small companies the managers copy what the big companies are doing?

IME quite a lot of poor tech decisions come down to techies being too dogmatic in their beliefs[1].

Move to AWS? All techies want to add that to their CV so sure why not... Who cares if it's the best decision as long as the CVs get improved.

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[1] My personal bugbear are techies who are adamant that nothing but google chrome can be used by the regardless of the fact that when pressed they can't find a single site that doesn't work on FF. Usually the goalposts are moved at some point in the discussion from "sites don't work on FF" to performance even though FF with uBlock origin cuts actual downloading of ads to zero compared to the uBlock lite on chrome. They'll next complain about memory used in FF compared to google regardless of the lack of any measurements and even though these same techies are using bloated electron apps daily anyway!

As you can tell, this really is a personal bugbear of mine.

Re: Airbus Takes Flight from AWS

#123

What doesn't get talked about in these articles is the increasing impact to small business in the US. I run a small business (scanii.com) and I've noticed over the past year an increasing number of customers leaving us to European competitors, customers that have been happy with us for years, using our European region, but now have concerns over US foreign policy and are giving preferred treatment to EU suppliers. Wh…

> using our European region To be fair, it was always obvious to anyone with half a brain that "European region" from a US provider was fake-EU. The problem is that PARIOT act, CLOUD act and everything else has gone from being a paper tiger to real and present danger. No longer a theoretical risk. So even people willing to previously turn a blind eye to the crystal clear risks can no longer do so. It is also no longe…

Sovereignty has gone from being a theoretical concern that a lot of cloud (esp. AWS) advocates poo-poohed to something that is a very real concern in the minds of many. It's not just US foreign policy either. It's even within Europe--to say nothing of things related to China.

Re: Airbus Takes Flight from AWS

#124
post #46

I don't fully understand why companies use AWS. Is it a management driven or engineering driven decision? I assume management - in big companies some exec from Amazon comes to play golf, and in small companies the managers copy what the big companies are doing?

For very small companies (startups) AWS makes a lot of sense because you have very few employees and you don’t want that limited employee time being spent managing servers

Re: Airbus Takes Flight from AWS

#125

Is Airbus still using Google workspaces for mail? Nice vector for industrial espionage. Why did Airbus go to "the cloud" in the first place? It seems complete overkill for a company like that.

> Why did Airbus go to "the cloud" in the first place?

The same reason that so many companies went to "the cloud", because the hyperscalers warpped the C-suite round their little finger.

There are two things any C-suite like doing that the hyperscalers could help them tick boxes on.

First, shifting capex to opex. They love doing that because of the accounting treatment. Opex goes into your P&L, so it reduces your taxable profit and therefore it reduces your tax bill. Meanwhile capex goes onto the balance sheet and is deprecated over the asset's life, so the "only" benefit you might get is to claim allowances (e.g. R&D) from your tax authority.

Second, it allows lots of things to be made "someone else's problem". Security ? Their problem. Staff ? Their problem. Tick-boxes to keep the compliance department happy ? Their problem.

So the hyperscalers can turn up and spin a ready-made story that the C-suite will lap up. Perhaps accompanied by a nice lunch and a round of golf. ;)

There is no doubt, companies such as Airbus have the technical competence and the financial means to do it all in-house. Sadly the C-suite calls the shots ....

Re: Airbus Takes Flight from AWS

#126
post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

US Tech does understand, US Administration does not.

The tech bros lining up at Donald’s inauguration to kiss his ring suggests otherwise.

They are business leaders who need to do what's best for the business. They have to work with whoever is in office once elected.

Re: Airbus Takes Flight from AWS

#127
post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Allows you to move stuff from capex to opex while remaining in compliance and governance lines. They’re not idiots. A lot of thought went into it, and the idea it’s all just incompetent BS dreamt up on a golf course is madness.

To be fair most compliance and governance stuff is dreamt up on a golf cause to cause lock-in

sure, but that doesn't mean we get to ignore it.

Re: Airbus Takes Flight from AWS

#128

What doesn't get talked about in these articles is the increasing impact to small business in the US. I run a small business (scanii.com) and I've noticed over the past year an increasing number of customers leaving us to European competitors, customers that have been happy with us for years, using our European region, but now have concerns over US foreign policy and are giving preferred treatment to EU suppliers. Wh…

> I fear rough waters ahead.

For 2.5 more years.

Re: Airbus Takes Flight from AWS

#129
post #33
post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We have a proven case of USA pulling the plug. Not sure which is worse.

Do we? From a EU-hosted location? Becoming a sanctioned entity wouldn't count -- if Airbus somehow made the business decision to start selling drones directly to Uyghur slave labor camps in western China and got itself on a list of sanctioned companies even Scaleways couldn't help them. I think that's a thinly veiled excuse for a much more mundane reason this is happening; their government stakeholders asked them to…

> Becoming a sanctioned entity wouldn't count -- if Airbus somehow made the business decision to start selling drones directly to Uyghur slave labor camps in western China and got itself on a list of sanctioned companies even Scaleways couldn't help them.

If the US decided to sanction Airbus, decent odds that the EU would make it illegal for EU businesses to comply with those US sanctions.

Similar to how the US has made it illegal for US firms to comply with Arab League sanctions against Israel

Re: Airbus Takes Flight from AWS

#130
post #46

I don't fully understand why companies use AWS. Is it a management driven or engineering driven decision? I assume management - in big companies some exec from Amazon comes to play golf, and in small companies the managers copy what the big companies are doing?

They get you hooked on a teaser tariff. Like $100k worth of AWS, Azure, GCP credits. Like a good drug dealer, the first hit is free. Once you've convinced yourself that moving to AWS is the right move, based on the teaser rate, they've got you in their jaws. Most of your IT team is gone, most of your on-prem/colo hardware is outdated, and for tax reasons it's better to lease than to purchase capital intensive equipment. But now the low AWS rate is gone, you can't go back, and you'd look like a fool for calling your decision a mistake.

I really like AWS. But I feel like there is a lot of money to be made in consultants overselling services built on it. And a lot of traditionally expensive IT teams are being replaced with even more expensive cloud "architects".

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