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Re: How would I get started?

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Post by jessedhillon »

napoleond wrote: post #108
patio11 wrote: post #98

Imagine, as a thought experiment, that HN declared a do-over and took another stab at answering the question. What, specifically , do you want in the new thread that was not present in the old thread, and what do you not want in the new thread that was present in the old thread? Some potential options: a) Keep all the facts. Remove conclusory statements which suggest that this is a bad idea. b) Remove the discouragin…

Patrick, this is condescending. I doubt you meant for it to come across that way, but that's how I read it. Most of the posts in the original thread could have conveyed the exact same information in a less dismissive, discouraging, and sometimes even hostile tone--it would have made them more valuable to our community.

I've read and re-read patio's comment and I don't see the condescension. Can you elaborate, please, as to what you find so condescending or derisive?

Re: How would I get started?

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Post by georgeorwell »

Mz wrote: post #112
napoleond wrote: post #108

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Patrick, this is condescending. I doubt you meant for it to come across that way, but that's how I read it. Most of the posts in the original thread could have conveyed the exact same information in a less dismissive, discouraging, and sometimes even hostile tone--it would have made them more valuable to our community.

You are right: It is condescending, and I downvoted it for that reason which has no doubt been cancelled out by like a hundred upvotes just because it is Patrick. But, gee, how many other people get called by their first name instead of their handle? "Thomas" comes to mind, but I imagine it is a rather small club. Patrick is fairly introverted and gets super nervous when giving public speeches, even though he has exp…

> "Thomas" comes to mind, but I imagine it is a rather small club.

I think this is a very interesting observation. One possible way to find this club might be to look at tptacek's profile:

"Must-read list: 'patio11, 'gruseom, 'anigbrowl, 'mechanical_fish, 'carbocation, 'potatolicious, 'grellas, 'dctoedt, 'yummyfajitas, 'tzs, 'rayiner, 'rprasad. Yeah, yeah yeah, 'pg too."

But even more interestingly, there's a way to social engineer yourself into the in-crowd. Open their profiles in separate tabs, click on "comments" and "submissions", and bookmark the lot of them. Instead of reading the Hacker News main page, open the tab group and read their comments and submissions. Agree with them for the most part, and take their side in arguments. Not 100%, or you'll come off like a sycophant. You're not looking for karma - submissions are much better for that - you're looking for acceptance by that group. When people call you by your first name, you've won.

I'm not advocating this, but I think it's interesting that it can be done.

Re: How would I get started?

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Post by Mz »

georgeorwell wrote: post #122
Mz wrote: post #112

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You are right: It is condescending, and I downvoted it for that reason which has no doubt been cancelled out by like a hundred upvotes just because it is Patrick. But, gee, how many other people get called by their first name instead of their handle? "Thomas" comes to mind, but I imagine it is a rather small club. Patrick is fairly introverted and gets super nervous when giving public speeches, even though he has exp…

> "Thomas" comes to mind, but I imagine it is a rather small club. I think this is a very interesting observation. One possible way to find this club might be to look at tptacek's profile: "Must-read list: 'patio11, 'gruseom, 'anigbrowl, 'mechanical_fish, 'carbocation, 'potatolicious, 'grellas, 'dctoedt, 'yummyfajitas, 'tzs, 'rayiner, 'rprasad. Yeah, yeah yeah, 'pg too." But even more interestingly, there's a way to…

:-) Though I have very serious doubts that would really work, at least not without having sufficient technical knowledge and intelligence to genuinely engage them in discourse. In which case you could join the in crowd on actual merit -- and probably would far prefer that method, for a variety of reasons. Some social circles you really can't fake your way into. This is probably one of them.

Re: How would I get started?

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Post by georgeorwell »

Mz wrote: post #123
georgeorwell wrote: post #122

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> "Thomas" comes to mind, but I imagine it is a rather small club. I think this is a very interesting observation. One possible way to find this club might be to look at tptacek's profile: "Must-read list: 'patio11, 'gruseom, 'anigbrowl, 'mechanical_fish, 'carbocation, 'potatolicious, 'grellas, 'dctoedt, 'yummyfajitas, 'tzs, 'rayiner, 'rprasad. Yeah, yeah yeah, 'pg too." But even more interestingly, there's a way to…

:-) Though I have very serious doubts that would really work, at least not without having sufficient technical knowledge and intelligence to genuinely engage them in discourse. In which case you could join the in crowd on actual merit -- and probably would far prefer that method, for a variety of reasons. Some social circles you really can't fake your way into. This is probably one of them.

> And, as I have said twice already tonight on hn, I really need to go now.

> Later.

Go to wherever it is you need to go, Michele. By the way, I'm George, and I'm a hackaholic.

P.S. I'm social engineering you.

Re: How would I get started?

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Post by Mz »

georgeorwell wrote: post #124
Mz wrote: post #123

Earlier quoted context omitted.

:-) Though I have very serious doubts that would really work, at least not without having sufficient technical knowledge and intelligence to genuinely engage them in discourse. In which case you could join the in crowd on actual merit -- and probably would far prefer that method, for a variety of reasons. Some social circles you really can't fake your way into. This is probably one of them.

> And, as I have said twice already tonight on hn, I really need to go now. > Later. Go to wherever it is you need to go, Michele. By the way, I'm George, and I'm a hackaholic. P.S. I'm social engineering you.

Mmkay, George.

(Though check the time stamp. I left, ran my errand, and came back. Though I will probably log off again soonish to sleep.)

Re: How would I get started?

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Post by svmegatron »

trb wrote: post #90
crazygringo wrote: post #62

I love this idea. Not as something to realistically help you get started, but purely educational. There's so much knowledge tied up exclusively among people "in the industry", that would be great to get out into the public. I would love to know all the things involved in starting an airline. How are planes actually bought? How are mechanics actually procured? What kind of safety regulations are followed? etc. I once…

A lot of this information might already be available, just not in the obvious places. An example: "how to start an airline" came up a couple of times in this discussion. If you ask an existing airline "How should I begin?", they might see you as a future competitor or as a waste of time - either way, they won't gain anything by helping you. But plane manufactures do gain something from helping you. Even if only every…

I agree with you, and I want to call out a particular phrase you wrote as profoundly good advice:

"If you want to start a [$ALMOST_ANYTHING] company, talk to the people that'd profit off of it"

There's certainly more you need to know about starting and running any type of business, but finding the people who would potentially profit from a successful company is going on my shortlist of "Let's evaluate this idea" questions

Re: How would I get started?

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Post by djt »

polyfractal wrote: post #111
belbn wrote: post #109

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I was under the impression you aren't able to downvote on this site. In the same way this site is Reddit except the fact you can't react negatively to anything (downvote), we now need to do the same for comments. You either upvote or you do nothing. You either comment positively or you don't comment. Excellent job patio.

You can downvote comments, assuming you have enough karma (100? 500? something like that). You can't downvote stories themselves, however.

I believe the threshold is 400 karma

Re: How would I get started?

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Post by Mz »

djt wrote: post #127
polyfractal wrote: post #111

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can downvote comments, assuming you have enough karma (100? 500? something like that). You can't downvote stories themselves, however.

I believe the threshold is 400 karma

I keep hearing 500. It used to be 200.

Re: How would I get started?

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Post by napoleond »

jessedhillon wrote: post #121
napoleond wrote: post #108

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Patrick, this is condescending. I doubt you meant for it to come across that way, but that's how I read it. Most of the posts in the original thread could have conveyed the exact same information in a less dismissive, discouraging, and sometimes even hostile tone--it would have made them more valuable to our community.

I've read and re-read patio's comment and I don't see the condescension. Can you elaborate, please, as to what you find so condescending or derisive?

I don't find the comment derisive, in that it does not express contempt or ridicule. Rather, I find it somewhat patronising--it dismisses Peter's blog post as not specific enough by focusing on the question of content rather than tone.

The blog post was an exhortation to open our minds, to be more constructive with our peers and more creative as a community; I found it unfortunate that Patrick seemed to dismiss Peter's input by making that sort of detour in his comment. I probably would have ignored it except that the entire point of the blog post was to try being a bit less rigid with each other.

I didn't mean for my comment to become a "scrutinise Patrick" thread--it was just a comment.

Re: How would I get started?

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Post by peteforde »

xiaoma wrote: post #99

> "I’m really disappointed in the universally pessimistic and generally unhelpful answers this question received. Some people pitched some interesting ideas and helpful analysis, but most of the replies reinforced the notion that Hacker News readers are predominantly male know-it-alls and on the average, a bunch of snarky dicks." This would have been both more convincing and shorter without the anti-male bit. I reali…

I promised myself that I wasn't going to reply directly to any of the comments, but it's important to rebut this succinctly: so far as I can tell, 100% of the top 1oo contributors to Hacker News (by karma) are male.

I am documenting my methodology and will publish my findings in the near future.

Please remember that nobody has the right to not be offended. Meanwhile, if you can prove that HN has been taken over by Jewish black women with a collective chip on their shoulder, then I will stand corrected.

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