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Airbus Takes Flight from AWS

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Re: Airbus Takes Flight from AWS

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Post by zulban »

cryo32 wrote: post #18
areoform wrote: post #8

A study in contrasts, I signed up my business with Hetzner. And the first thing I saw during onboarding was a demand to upload my ID to spend $5 to test their service (I was testing before we bought). I wrote to customer service and got, Dear Client, We received your email. Thanks for writing to us. You have probably realized that this is an automated message. We need some time to process each email that we receive,…

I haven't found a competent supplier who doesn't want to know who you are. I entirely exclude Digital Ocean from competent suppliers.

What's wrong with DO? Been happily using them for over a decade.

Re: Airbus Takes Flight from AWS

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Post by khurs »

Jane Street recently posted a video of their datacenter warehouse in USA on YouTube

Most of this large building was empty... they said that as compute had become dense along with advancements in liquid cooling, the same amount of power x years ago now only required few racks.

No need for many companies to go on cloud, at a minimum should be hybrid on prem.

Re: Airbus Takes Flight from AWS

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Post by inigyou »

bob1029 wrote: post #79
inigyou wrote: post #46

I don't fully understand why companies use AWS. Is it a management driven or engineering driven decision? I assume management - in big companies some exec from Amazon comes to play golf, and in small companies the managers copy what the big companies are doing?

Not enough humans to deal with physical machines and the compliance issues around them. I agree if we are operating a cat meme distribution business that AWS starts to look a bit overkill. Something like a banking consultancy is a different matter. Good luck passing due diligence as a bank's vendor when you are also physically responsible for the machines. You can do this, but it sucks and it's your entire job + over…

Genuine question: is using AWS for compliance any better or worse than using Delve for compliance?

Re: Airbus Takes Flight from AWS

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Post by LastTrain »

khurs wrote: post #83
PaulRobinson wrote: post #64

US tech does not understand or comprehend the amount of damage they’ve self inflicted in the last couple of years. There will be a steady drip of this in years to come, I suspect.

US Tech does understand, US Administration does not.

US tech helped the US administration get there, and instead of speaking up, gives it gold trinkets for special favors.

Re: Airbus Takes Flight from AWS

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Post by raverbashing »

cryo32 wrote: post #36
mr_toad wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

AWS, GCP, Azure don’t care either.

AWS does care. You have to sign up with a credit card and verify a phone number. And if you want to spend serious money you have to actually provide business documentation.

Yes but not for initial $5

Re: Airbus Takes Flight from AWS

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Post by DaiPlusPlus »

khurs wrote: post #92
troupo wrote: post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I doubt US tech understands. For one, they are deeply in bed with the current administration (for any definition of current, past, and future). For another, they fight tooth and nail any and all sovereignity of data even within their own walled gardens. See decade of battles by Google, Apple, Facebook etc. in the EU.

Nvidia's Jensen as an example called out the risk that a GPU ban to China would accelerate Chinese r&D

With a GPU ban, then the PRC will accelerate domestic "AI chip" R&D and production, while still getting-away with grey-market imports for their AI/LLM R&D.

Without a GPU ban, then the PRC will accelerate domestic AI/LLM R&D and deployment, while still funding indigenous AI chip development efforts.

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From afar it makes America look so insecure and almost pathetic: China's R&D ecosystem is a huge mass with a lot of inertia - trade policy and embargos will be about as effective against it as the paper they're printed on.

Re: Airbus Takes Flight from AWS

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Post by raverbashing »

inigyou wrote: post #95
raverbashing wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Count on German companies to make things more complicated than they need and to squander clients for minor nitpicks

Name one B2B relationship you have where you didn't provide ID of you or your business.

Not at an initial sign up and minor spend

Companies usually know how to handle customers

(Yes some do want to verify the customer for every single purchase - but I usually skip those)

Re: Airbus Takes Flight from AWS

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Post by khurs »

vlovich123 wrote: post #97
khurs wrote: post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

AWS were first and dominated. Microsoft moved late with Azure, but as they had so many customers in B2B already with SQL Server and Office, that they soon grew market share. Google Cloud followed and acquired companies like Firebase to differentiate. Market Share 2026 AWS 28% Azure 21% Google 14% https://www.statista.com/chart/18819/worldwide-market-share-...

Anyone who’s actually used Azure knows it’s an unmitigated disaster for uptime. The problem is that this has been consistently true for like a decade now. This indicates real core architectural deficiencies they’ve been unable to address.

Management react differently when it's a 3rd party issue:

    "The systems are down, it's a global Microsoft Cloud issue affecting everyone"

    vs

    "The systems are down, Bob from my team made an error but we are working to fix it"

Re: Airbus Takes Flight from AWS

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Post by apelapan »

bob1029 wrote: post #79
inigyou wrote: post #46

I don't fully understand why companies use AWS. Is it a management driven or engineering driven decision? I assume management - in big companies some exec from Amazon comes to play golf, and in small companies the managers copy what the big companies are doing?

Not enough humans to deal with physical machines and the compliance issues around them. I agree if we are operating a cat meme distribution business that AWS starts to look a bit overkill. Something like a banking consultancy is a different matter. Good luck passing due diligence as a bank's vendor when you are also physically responsible for the machines. You can do this, but it sucks and it's your entire job + over…

Sure, of you are a one-man shop trying to sell IT services in a regulated category to banks, hosting is not something you want to add to your list of problems.

This is not comparable to the situation in a company like Airbus, with perhaps 10k people of every imaginable expertise employed in just the IT department. Not comparable to most companies that are 1/50th of Airbus size either.

For a largish company (1000+ people, 500M+ turnover), assigning ten FTE:s to managing the racks and general core infra on a 365/24 basis and another five lawyers and general bureaucrats to deal with the general paperwork is nothing.

The reason for the big cloud shift in the 2010s was other things. A lot of hype/lies about how fast, cheap and easy things would be. And in many companies probably also a feeling that internal IT were a bunch of morons who failed at anything you asked them to do, and that anything else must be better.

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