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Airbus Takes Flight from AWS

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Re: Airbus Takes Flight from AWS

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Post by msdz »

areoform wrote: post #52
msdz wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I’m amazed that it is even legal for businesses to ask for that at all, outside of a few exceptional cases of which “I want to rent a server” most certainly isn’t one. How about the case of “I want to rent a server to distribute illicit and or dangerous materials and then it’s your problem”?

> How about the case of “I want to rent a server to distribute illicit and or dangerous materials and then it’s your problem”? Why would it be? And are we going to use "because terrorism" card on HN?

Yeah, I think that’s the one case where it’s actually appropriate to use that card.

Like it or not, banks are legally mandated to do KYC, and this is essentially the same, except for information or communication being “moved” instead of money.

Re: Airbus Takes Flight from AWS

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Post by ownagefool »

inigyou wrote: post #41
Zsfe510asG wrote: post #37

Is Airbus still using Google workspaces for mail? Nice vector for industrial espionage. Why did Airbus go to "the cloud" in the first place? It seems complete overkill for a company like that.

Everyone went to "the cloud" because they want to make their IT problems someone else's problem. It's no different from the previous era of MSPs, except that there are now only, like, five MSPs in the world. Note: I mean the Google Docs and Microsoft 365 type of cloud not the AWS and Azure type of cloud

My take is it's actually because of poor performance of internal teams.

With a cloud provider, you can get an account by filling out a sign-up page and handing over a credit card. Internal teams will often hide behind Bureaucracy and a ticket system, with processes that make hosting a simple web app take multiple quarters.

Now there are layered reasons for that, some of them with legitimate basis, but at the end of the day they're usually low skilled teams click-ops-ing some VMWware, delivering a terrible service.

Re: Airbus Takes Flight from AWS

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Post by PaulRobinson »

inigyou wrote: post #46

I don't fully understand why companies use AWS. Is it a management driven or engineering driven decision? I assume management - in big companies some exec from Amazon comes to play golf, and in small companies the managers copy what the big companies are doing?

Allows you to move stuff from capex to opex while remaining in compliance and governance lines.

They’re not idiots. A lot of thought went into it, and the idea it’s all just incompetent BS dreamt up on a golf course is madness.

Re: Airbus Takes Flight from AWS

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Post by rob74 »

Havoc wrote: post #48
ttoinou wrote: post #4

Do we have proven (or probable) case of USA industrial espionage ?

You don’t need an espionage case to decide a provider is too much risk. The political unreliability alone is enough. Just takes one orange guy waking up in a foul mood one day and doing something erratic. That increases risk for using anything American across the board even if the individual companies have done nothing wrong

Case in point: the Claude Fable debacle. It's not a big stretch to imagine that one day, they might decide any AI platform developed by an American company is too dangerous to let those shady foreigners access it. Not to mention the potential implications of your internal code being sent to AI datacenters in the US...

Re: Airbus Takes Flight from AWS

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Post by Foobar8568 »

ownagefool wrote: post #62
inigyou wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Everyone went to "the cloud" because they want to make their IT problems someone else's problem. It's no different from the previous era of MSPs, except that there are now only, like, five MSPs in the world. Note: I mean the Google Docs and Microsoft 365 type of cloud not the AWS and Azure type of cloud

My take is it's actually because of poor performance of internal teams. With a cloud provider, you can get an account by filling out a sign-up page and handing over a credit card. Internal teams will often hide behind Bureaucracy and a ticket system, with processes that make hosting a simple web app take multiple quarters. Now there are layered reasons for that, some of them with legitimate basis, but at the end of t…

Reality of AWS or Azure in Europe : - Can't provision new ressources without calling them - If you get defects, you might be with Azure Europe Head after weeks of escalation and the only thing he wants to hear is if Microsoft can do a success story with you - Gaslighting you on issues

I agree with you, we went from terrible service, to terrible service with no leverage.

Re: Airbus Takes Flight from AWS

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Post by radiator »

aratob wrote: post #2

Is it the first for similarly high—profile companies?

Public administration in Europe has already started moving away from the american hyperscalers. This is of course happening at the usual speed which is characteristic of all public administration.

Re: Airbus Takes Flight from AWS

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Post by reacharavindh »

ownagefool wrote: post #62
inigyou wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Everyone went to "the cloud" because they want to make their IT problems someone else's problem. It's no different from the previous era of MSPs, except that there are now only, like, five MSPs in the world. Note: I mean the Google Docs and Microsoft 365 type of cloud not the AWS and Azure type of cloud

My take is it's actually because of poor performance of internal teams. With a cloud provider, you can get an account by filling out a sign-up page and handing over a credit card. Internal teams will often hide behind Bureaucracy and a ticket system, with processes that make hosting a simple web app take multiple quarters. Now there are layered reasons for that, some of them with legitimate basis, but at the end of t…

We were contemplating just this as a lunch time conversation among few engineers. Why can’t we have a sort of internal currency in the company and let teams use it as their “budget” to get things done? Infra team’s budget is broken up by the “user teams’ budgets + markup. Think your team needs a rlasticsearch cluster of your own versus the “managed” one by the infra team’s? Spend your budget accordingly. Want an increased budget? Get your director to pay from his currency budget.. all the way to the top..
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