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Why is it so hard for the U.S. to win wars?

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Re: Why is it so hard for the U.S. to win wars?

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Is it a coup? Maduros government is still in control

Yes, but Maduro is not. His former right hand is in charge and Rubio is controlling her. It was not regime change, but an internal coup helped with foreign soldiers. New leader is equally oppressive, but this time guided by American admin.

This makes everything worse, not better.

Re: Why is it so hard for the U.S. to win wars?

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Russia's goal is direct annexation of about quarter of the Ukrainian territory and installing a lifelong puppet regime to control the other three quarters. Ukrainians stand to lose not just their voice and any semblance of economic prosperity, but also their very identity. With the exception of extreme cases like Gaza, it doesn't get more binary than that.

From Ukraine's perspective it's existential for sure. Russia however, just revises its objectives every few months according to how well/badly its prospects on the battlefield are looking.

Isn't it more that they started changing objectives because their original objectives turned out to be unattainable?

I also think that for Putin it is pretty existential. Otherwise, they would have negotiated a temporary deal, took the pretty large amount of land that they had taken at the end of 2022. Work on another 'project' like Georgia for a few years, do a lot of disinformation campaigns in Europe in the meanwhile and then revisit Ukraine later. That would have a lot of benefits, like no reaming of Europe, no development of Ukraine's capabilities (resulting in a drastic drop in refinement capabilities), etc.

But he couldn't. It would make him look weak and would make him vulnerable to a coup. Continuing is the only way for him.

Re: Why is it so hard for the U.S. to win wars?

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Because the military industrial complex is acting like socialist jobs program. If the USA could produce 4000 tomahawks per day, instead of 400 per year the Iran thing would be over. Also USA is very sensitive about the other side's civilian deaths.

> Also USA is very sensitive about the other side's civilian deaths. Its literally bragging about the oposite while intentionally killing civilians.

In Iran USA has killed 1/4 of a civilian for every enemy combatant. That is unprecedented by any war level.

Re: Why is it so hard for the U.S. to win wars?

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... possibly due to the lying bumblefucks who start them. George W Bush was a lying bumblefuck who talked himself into being a war criminal who can't travel to certain countries. Trump is the kind of lying bumblefuck who lets a dependent bumblefuck that Netanyahu is to talk him into the dumbest and most embarrassing military engagement in US history of my lifetime, possibly only next to Grenada npr, btw, is in some s…

Bush won the conventional war in Iraq and generally the US military was quite good at that part (same in Afghanistan or the first Gulf War). They had no clue what to do after the war was won and made a complete mess of it. Trump hasn’t got the slightest idea how to even get as far as Bush did..

Hmm, US did not destroy the Taliban in Afghanistan. So I do not think US won much in Afghanistan (for ex. bin Laden was killed in Pakistani)

Re: Why is it so hard for the U.S. to win wars?

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To "win" a war you must have specific and measurable goals. If your politicians start a war but cannot articulate such goals, you're going to lose. They'll assure you they will win, but they've already lost. They are bad at their jobs, why did you hire these morons?

If the goal is to deny Iran nukes then it's been succeeding.

if anything they are looking at North Korea and confirming their belief that nuclear weapons are indispensable for their sovereignty.

Re: Why is it so hard for the U.S. to win wars?

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To "win" a war you must have specific and measurable goals. If your politicians start a war but cannot articulate such goals, you're going to lose. They'll assure you they will win, but they've already lost. They are bad at their jobs, why did you hire these morons?

> why did you hire these morons? The democratic process is the selection of incompetent people by unqualified people.

Feels over reals.

Re: Why is it so hard for the U.S. to win wars?

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Depends on the war. Venezuela was quickly won.

Swaping the dictator for one of your choosing is a relatively smart, yet immoral strategy. It is pretty clear to me that the current regime made a deal with the US to topple the old one. It is low cost but very short term. The new leader is as corrupt as the old one, and is simply playing both sides. The US does not posess Venezuela.

Re: Why is it so hard for the U.S. to win wars?

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To "win" a war you must have specific and measurable goals. If your politicians start a war but cannot articulate such goals, you're going to lose. They'll assure you they will win, but they've already lost. They are bad at their jobs, why did you hire these morons?

If the goal is to deny Iran nukes then it's been succeeding.

So, where is the enriched uranium then? For now it's only a setback and it will make Iran only more determined to make a nuke.

Re: Why is it so hard for the U.S. to win wars?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is it a coup? Maduros government is still in control

Yes, but Maduro is not. His former right hand is in charge and Rubio is controlling her. It was not regime change, but an internal coup helped with foreign soldiers. New leader is equally oppressive, but this time guided by American admin.

It is not under US control though. The new president is simply playing each side

Re: Why is it so hard for the U.S. to win wars?

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If the goal is to deny Iran nukes then it's been succeeding.

So, where is the enriched uranium then? For now it's only a setback and it will make Iran only more determined to make a nuke.

Iran is never not going to want to make a nuke.

How much determinism they have is irrelevant.

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