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Re: Orion Browser by Kagi

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Post by matkoniecz »

loehnsberg wrote: post #151
cantalopes wrote: post #96

I am not supporting kagi since i found out they fund putin's war via yandex that is fully owned ditrctly by state

Getting from using Yandex to funding Putin‘s war requires quite a few turns. Since most of Russia’s war chest is filled by money from oil exports and China indirectly also supports Russia materially, I would first cut myself off of all oil-based products, and then from the Chinese supply chain of goods, and only then cut products indluding Yandex search results. In that order, because that matters for the war chest.…

> send a postcard with your apology to the Kagi team

why? Kagi is not entitled to be paid by them, and on free market they are free to not buy a commercial product and use alternatives

and avoiding Kagi is trivial to achieve while avoiding products that were produced with oil in some way is impossible

Re: Orion Browser by Kagi

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Post by II2II »

dzonga wrote: post #167
c16 wrote: post #116

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As an ad-blocker user for years, I agree. On the flip side, how do blogs, news, and every day ad-serving websites survive without them? If it dies, it dies? Maybe this is not a discussion for here right now. But it's definitely something I've thought of. Not everyone want to pay for news.

ads are not bad. if it's publisher ads/native ads. the bad ad ecosystem is where there's whole demand, supply side platforms and ad exchanges that mine and sell your data. now there's better tech to do native ads without the intrusion and massive bad experience. you're reading some article about EV's - then boom the publisher themselves can serve you a small ad - not serve you an ad about weight loss or viagra or any…

> now there's better tech to do native ads without the intrusion and massive bad experience .... the publisher themselves can serve you a small ad

This has always been possible and, from my recollections, was how some early online advertising was done. (I don't know if it was ever the dominant model, but it was certainly more common.)

I suspect the difficulty connecting content providers with advertisers is the root of them problem. After that, it takes effort to maintain that relationship. Having a third party handle everything is simply easier, especially for smaller web sites and smaller companies who want to advertise.

Re: Orion Browser by Kagi

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Post by matheusmoreira »

dzonga wrote: post #167
c16 wrote: post #116

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As an ad-blocker user for years, I agree. On the flip side, how do blogs, news, and every day ad-serving websites survive without them? If it dies, it dies? Maybe this is not a discussion for here right now. But it's definitely something I've thought of. Not everyone want to pay for news.

ads are not bad. if it's publisher ads/native ads. the bad ad ecosystem is where there's whole demand, supply side platforms and ad exchanges that mine and sell your data. now there's better tech to do native ads without the intrusion and massive bad experience. you're reading some article about EV's - then boom the publisher themselves can serve you a small ad - not serve you an ad about weight loss or viagra or any…

> ads are not bad

Ads are noise deliberately added to the signal. They're content you did not seek out and probably don't want. All advertisements are inherently untrustworthy: they're getting paid to sell you something, naturally they will exaggerate the positives and downplay the negatives. Conflicts of interest doesn't even begin to describe it.

That's the charitable interpretation. One could describe advertising as mind rape. You don't consent to it, you don't want it. They just keep trying to forcibly insert the data into your mind anyway. You block them, they bypass your blocker, which arguably makes them malware as well.

They feel entitled to our cognition, memories, attention. They think it's theirs to sell off to the highest bidder. They make it even harder for people with attention deficit to concentrate by trying to forcibly grab their attention. It's not only an accessibility problem, it's also a form of aggression, which makes uBlock Origin a form of justified self-defense.

Re: Orion Browser by Kagi

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Post by Jtarii »

BloondAndDoom wrote: post #157
lostlogin wrote: post #99

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I really wish there was a way to support their amazing product without a cent going the way of the Russian government. I get that there is a stance being taken, and it's an attempt to be apolitical, but that's in itself a political choice.

Assuming you are using American products, with the same logic how do you support that government? I’m honestly to curious, do you find that American government historians internal external politics is that much better than Russia? What’s going on with Israel and a massive track record of human rights violations including government funded torture oriented, democracy side stepping institutions like Guantanamo bay, and…

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Re: Orion Browser by Kagi

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Post by tensor »

c16 wrote: post #116
matheusmoreira wrote: post #92

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> Built-in ad-blocking Definitely enjoying this trend. I think Brave was the first to do it, and now Kagi is doing it too in their own browser. The web without adblocking is so unusable it might as well be considered broken. Ad blockers are the new popup blockers: they should be built into the browsers themselves as first class features. Only conflicts of interest prevented that. Couldn't trust a company funded by Go…

As an ad-blocker user for years, I agree. On the flip side, how do blogs, news, and every day ad-serving websites survive without them? If it dies, it dies? Maybe this is not a discussion for here right now. But it's definitely something I've thought of. Not everyone want to pay for news.

> Not everyone want to pay for news.

People want things for free. Too bad. Nothing is really free. Either you pay for it, have ads, or have your taxes pay for it as part of public media. Personally, I'd like to see forced ads banned. Having ads that the user can come to see is fine (e.g. I'm looking for a product and I want to browse pitches, totally fine). That means that yes, we need a way where news can get paid. Most big news companies already offer paid tiers, they just continue to shove ads even then.

Re: Orion Browser by Kagi

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Post by TiredOfLife »

MrDrMcCoy wrote: post #61
TiredOfLife wrote: post #47

Skip the middleman and just use Yandex browser. It has great free video dubbing feature

In the same way that I'm uncomfortable with Opera since it went Chinese and Chrome from all its corporate spyware, I'll be skipping over the Russian stuff.

Kagi is unapologetically russian, as in russian government throug yandex, connected

Re: Orion Browser by Kagi

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Post by c16 »

Kye wrote: post #146
janandonly wrote: post #141

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We should revive the micro payments feature that where built into very early browsers. It didn’t catch on back then. But time are changing.

I don't remember that, though I only started with early Netscape. Do you have more detail?

pretty sure the guy from TPB had a micro-payments/donation startup around the time when everyone was using Facebook like buttons on their websites.

Re: Orion Browser by Kagi

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Post by tensor »

matheusmoreira wrote: post #175
dzonga wrote: post #167

Earlier quoted context omitted.

ads are not bad. if it's publisher ads/native ads. the bad ad ecosystem is where there's whole demand, supply side platforms and ad exchanges that mine and sell your data. now there's better tech to do native ads without the intrusion and massive bad experience. you're reading some article about EV's - then boom the publisher themselves can serve you a small ad - not serve you an ad about weight loss or viagra or any…

> ads are not bad Ads are noise deliberately added to the signal. They're content you did not seek out and probably don't want. All advertisements are inherently untrustworthy: they're getting paid to sell you something, naturally they will exaggerate the positives and downplay the negatives. Conflicts of interest doesn't even begin to describe it. That's the charitable interpretation. One could describe advertising…

100% agree. Everyone is susceptible to ads, even if few believe it. The ad pushers know it. It's a form of information warfare, not simply business. If I'm looking for a product and ask a vendor to give me pitch, great. But if I'm doing something else and vendor propaganda is forced on me interrupting my task, that's not ok in any way.
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