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Re: Moonshine: Lets you stream games from your PC to any device running Moonlight

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Post by Levitating »

PalmPilotProMax wrote: post #25

So, to sum up: First there was Nvidia Gamestream, which was proprietary and later deprecated by Nvidia themselves. Then came Sunshine and Moonlight, open source server and client implementations of the protocol to allow low latency streaming for all platforms. Along the way the Game on Whales project started, to allow multi seat streaming plus virtual displays so currently logged in user sessions aren't impacted. Bas…

> Did I miss anything?

Steam has had good built-in streaming for a long time.

Re: Moonshine: Lets you stream games from your PC to any device running Moonlight

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Post by remix2000 »

PalmPilotProMax wrote: post #82
remix2000 wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But Sunshine _is_ headless, I would know if it weren't, I'm using it as such (albeit with a dummy plug, but that's just a hardware limitation).

The selling point of Moonshine (and some of the Sunshine forks/descendants) is that it's headless without the need of a physical dummy plug.

Nvidia GPUs refuse to accelerate 3D w/o an output connected; if I had a Radeon, I wouldn't need the plug, it's just an Nvidia thing I believe.

Afaict, Moonshine relies on a separate graphical session running on your monitor and that's how it gets around that limitation of Nvidia GPUs. If I had a monitor plugged in to my box, Sunshine would work just as well.

Re: Moonshine: Lets you stream games from your PC to any device running Moonlight

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Post by ach9l »

somat wrote: post #28
PalmPilotProMax wrote: post #25

So, to sum up: First there was Nvidia Gamestream, which was proprietary and later deprecated by Nvidia themselves. Then came Sunshine and Moonlight, open source server and client implementations of the protocol to allow low latency streaming for all platforms. Along the way the Game on Whales project started, to allow multi seat streaming plus virtual displays so currently logged in user sessions aren't impacted. Bas…

The steam link actual. While the hardware is no longer being sold the software sort of lives on. In an android app among other things. Tangentially it almost feels like steam could make a stadia like thing work. They have most of the moving parts including crucially, the bit google didn't, an established base of customers. Tomorrow steam could introduce a "play your games anywhere on any hardware" feature and no one…

That's not the same thing at all. Stadia was never about streaming from your own dedicated pc, it was about cloud computing. Something Valve does not have. In order for Steam Link to become Stadia, Valve requires the same data center capacity to serve games.

Re: Moonshine: Lets you stream games from your PC to any device running Moonlight

#94

Post by jdiff »

pxndxx wrote: post #75
als0 wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Have you heard about the cloud?

The cloud is just someone else's computer. Do you think there's spare GPU compute available during the AI craze?

I think there's a lot of spare GPU compute. I don't think it'd be made available for this, or if it was, I believe it'd most likely be from a company that won't survive the AI bust. But I think there's a lot of spare compute sitting idle out there.

If there weren't, I think token prices would be higher than they are, downtime would be higher than it is, and there would be far fewer free tiers or more restrictions on free tiers.

Re: Moonshine: Lets you stream games from your PC to any device running Moonlight

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Post by Bombthecat »

PalmPilotProMax wrote: post #25

So, to sum up: First there was Nvidia Gamestream, which was proprietary and later deprecated by Nvidia themselves. Then came Sunshine and Moonlight, open source server and client implementations of the protocol to allow low latency streaming for all platforms. Along the way the Game on Whales project started, to allow multi seat streaming plus virtual displays so currently logged in user sessions aren't impacted. Bas…

Yes, nothing will be as fast as the Nvidia implementation.

Those implementations don't have access to the low level encoding Nvidia has.

There is a rumour, that they did this because of GeForce now, because there never will an open source implementation/ service competition for GeForce now.

Re: Moonshine: Lets you stream games from your PC to any device running Moonlight

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Post by Hamuko »

pxndxx wrote: post #75
als0 wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Have you heard about the cloud?

The cloud is just someone else's computer. Do you think there's spare GPU compute available during the AI craze?

Seems like there is considering that Meta is currently selling their excess AI capacity.

https://www.reuters.com/business/meta-sell-excess-ai-computi...

Re: Moonshine: Lets you stream games from your PC to any device running Moonlight

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Post by [deleted] »

somat wrote: post #28
PalmPilotProMax wrote: post #25

So, to sum up: First there was Nvidia Gamestream, which was proprietary and later deprecated by Nvidia themselves. Then came Sunshine and Moonlight, open source server and client implementations of the protocol to allow low latency streaming for all platforms. Along the way the Game on Whales project started, to allow multi seat streaming plus virtual displays so currently logged in user sessions aren't impacted. Bas…

The steam link actual. While the hardware is no longer being sold the software sort of lives on. In an android app among other things. Tangentially it almost feels like steam could make a stadia like thing work. They have most of the moving parts including crucially, the bit google didn't, an established base of customers. Tomorrow steam could introduce a "play your games anywhere on any hardware" feature and no one…

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Re: Moonshine: Lets you stream games from your PC to any device running Moonlight

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Post by mrkanic »

Life is really funny, I spent most of the last week scripting hyprland to run gamescoped steam on a headless monitor to achieve this via sunshine. Tried wolf/games on whales but since I sometimes play the same games directly on the same PC it makes it weird to share the game directories.

Although I can't use my PC at the same time as streaming, I'm really happy with my janky setup for now, but kinda really want to try this!

Re: Moonshine: Lets you stream games from your PC to any device running Moonlight

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Post by fineIllregister »

Hamuko wrote: post #96
pxndxx wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The cloud is just someone else's computer. Do you think there's spare GPU compute available during the AI craze?

Seems like there is considering that Meta is currently selling their excess AI capacity. https://www.reuters.com/business/meta-sell-excess-ai-computi...

They're selling it for AI. Unless retro-nostalgia explodes and gamers are overwhelmed by a desire to pay for tokens (more than ai users), that doesn't change anything.
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