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Re: Orion Browser by Kagi

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Post by Itoldmyselfso »

janandonly wrote: post #141
c16 wrote: post #116

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As an ad-blocker user for years, I agree. On the flip side, how do blogs, news, and every day ad-serving websites survive without them? If it dies, it dies? Maybe this is not a discussion for here right now. But it's definitely something I've thought of. Not everyone want to pay for news.

We should revive the micro payments feature that where built into very early browsers. It didn’t catch on back then. But time are changing.

Paywalling with extremely easy, one-click payment of very small amount might work. Paywalling does still incentivize things like misleading, sensationalized click-bait titles, but that's pretty much the norm everywhere.

Alternatively, if there was a subscription that covered a massive amount of blogs/news bundled into one low-cost subscription, that might also work. What I heavily doubt is if donation-based micropayments will ever find enough users to remain profitable.

Re: Orion Browser by Kagi

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Post by gen2brain »

xacky wrote: post #153

It's just a webkit wrapper, not a new engine like Servo and Ladybird.

Yes, and you need an army of people to "wrap" WebKit just like that. E.g., the WebKit port on Haiku, of course, is not in good shape because it has more code than the whole of their OS. EFL once had a WebBrowser control/component, maintained by Tizen devs, but of course, it has now been removed. There is no manpower to maintain such control.

Re: Orion Browser by Kagi

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Post by nicce »

colordrops wrote: post #124
yellowapple wrote: post #81

The Linux beta feels nice. Built-in ad-blocking and nested vertical tabs satisfies the two main things keeping me on Firefox (unnerfed uBlock Origin and Tree Style Tabs, respectively). Some things feel like obvious oversights, like the lack of “Search for...” when right-clicking on selected text. Also some of the settings pages are broken (like the one with per-site settings), though I assume this is just a quirk of…

I think FOSS is far better. Restrictive licenses lead to much less people inspecting and working with the code.

> less people

Less agents these days

Re: Orion Browser by Kagi

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Post by mrweasel »

xacky wrote: post #153

It's just a webkit wrapper, not a new engine like Servo and Ladybird.

At least it's WebKit and not just a reskin of Chrome, but I don't exactly get why Kagi feel that they need to develop their own browser. Personally I prefer my search and browser to be developed be separate entities that can focus on doing one thing really well.

Re: Orion Browser by Kagi

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Post by dzonga »

c16 wrote: post #116
matheusmoreira wrote: post #92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Built-in ad-blocking Definitely enjoying this trend. I think Brave was the first to do it, and now Kagi is doing it too in their own browser. The web without adblocking is so unusable it might as well be considered broken. Ad blockers are the new popup blockers: they should be built into the browsers themselves as first class features. Only conflicts of interest prevented that. Couldn't trust a company funded by Go…

As an ad-blocker user for years, I agree. On the flip side, how do blogs, news, and every day ad-serving websites survive without them? If it dies, it dies? Maybe this is not a discussion for here right now. But it's definitely something I've thought of. Not everyone want to pay for news.

ads are not bad. if it's publisher ads/native ads.

the bad ad ecosystem is where there's whole demand, supply side platforms and ad exchanges that mine and sell your data.

now there's better tech to do native ads without the intrusion and massive bad experience.

you're reading some article about EV's - then boom the publisher themselves can serve you a small ad - not serve you an ad about weight loss or viagra or any other shit stuff.

Re: Orion Browser by Kagi

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Post by ninkendo »

dewey wrote: post #97
cantalopes wrote: post #96

I am not supporting kagi since i found out they fund putin's war via yandex that is fully owned ditrctly by state

That's fair to make as a personal choice, but full context is also important: https://kagifeedback.org/d/5445-reconsider-yandex-integratio...

Framing Russia’s unprovoked invasion of their neighbor as “politics” actually makes me less trusting of Kagi than before I read your link. It’s really not a good look.

Maybe english is not his first language, but at least in America we use the word “politics” to describe things like party association, arguing over wedge issues, treating elections as a “team sport”, rhetoric, etc. We don’t use it to describe an attempt by one nation to wipe out another one.

I’ve been a Kagi user for several years now but, ugh, now I have to think about it a lot more and I’m probably not going to be as enthusiastic about recommending it.

Re: Orion Browser by Kagi

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Post by matkoniecz »

BloondAndDoom wrote: post #157
lostlogin wrote: post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I really wish there was a way to support their amazing product without a cent going the way of the Russian government. I get that there is a stance being taken, and it's an attempt to be apolitical, but that's in itself a political choice.

Assuming you are using American products, with the same logic how do you support that government? I’m honestly to curious, do you find that American government historians internal external politics is that much better than Russia? What’s going on with Israel and a massive track record of human rights violations including government funded torture oriented, democracy side stepping institutions like Guantanamo bay, and…

1) Yes, Russia is in fact worse than USA. This does not change that USA did and is doing evil things.

2) At least in my case Russia is directly targeting my country, while USA does not (in general, far away empires are less dangerous than nearby ones)

3) In addition Russia is more resource constrained so getting the same amount of funds benefits them more

4) USA is also doing plenty of non-evil things while for Russia this activity are much much smaller part of their spending

Re: Orion Browser by Kagi

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Post by arnoooooo »

yellowapple wrote: post #81

The Linux beta feels nice. Built-in ad-blocking and nested vertical tabs satisfies the two main things keeping me on Firefox (unnerfed uBlock Origin and Tree Style Tabs, respectively). Some things feel like obvious oversights, like the lack of “Search for...” when right-clicking on selected text. Also some of the settings pages are broken (like the one with per-site settings), though I assume this is just a quirk of…

> Transparency is a dependency of trust.

I'd recommend reading Byung-Chul Han. In his book The Transparency Society, he argues - quite convincingly IMHO - that transparency is asked when trust is missing.

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