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How proprietary formats have become Microsoft’s main tool for lock-in

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Re: How proprietary formats have become Microsoft’s main tool for lock-in

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An ms shop wanted to share a folder from their onedrive with me. I could not access it until I signed up for a Microsoft account and forced to download their authenticator app.

> and forced to download their authenticator app

AFAIK, that’s not forced, ‘only’ strongly directed towards. You certainly can use a third party authenticator with Microsoft accounts, and I expect that to work with OneDrive, too.

Re: How proprietary formats have become Microsoft’s main tool for lock-in

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In regards to FOSS, Google, Facebook, Amazon, IBM and co, are much better at it than Microsoft has been.

Are they? They extended DNS, LDAP and Kerberos to make Active Directory so that now every Microsoft-locked corporation is stuck using Microsoft as their internal DNS. They do the various things they do to get everyone stuck using their email instead of any other standard IMAP/SMTP/webmail provider. Azure is "somehow" one of the three major cloud providers.

Truth be told, IMAP & SMTP are wildly obsolete in today's needs. Have a look at this: https://jmap.io/

Re: How proprietary formats have become Microsoft’s main tool for lock-in

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Embrace, extend, destroy. This has always been MS. They basically haven't changed since 1990.

Embrace, extend, extinguish. EEE.

It's funny, you go to the trouble of crafting a nice, easy to remember mnemonic and someone still fudges it up.

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I think people should get over with "file formats" Cloud/browser based office tools were already a thing decade ago. Do we have an open format except .md ? Sadly no. Afterall, format is just a way to serialize features.

So lets have all your data vendor locked in a cloud somewhere so that the corp runnning it can milk you for ever or just decide to delete it all on a whim ? Perfect!

There is an entire generation who have grown up with the cloud and just see that as the default because it is.

Which isn’t to say that everyone in that generation thinks the cloud is the sensible way to do it or that prior generations didn’t (it wouldn’t have “won”).

My boy only understands what a file system is because I explained it to him, all his tech (with the exception of his gaming PC) might as well be magic black boxes for the amount of understanding he has on how it works.

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Outside of corporate I think the world will just abandon MS. Their tactics has become so aggressive and their software so broken that it’s getting harder to ignore

I mean, outside of corporate (including governments, universities, etc large organizations because what’s the difference) the world has largely already abandoned MS. The vast majority of personal conputing on the planet happens on devices that don’t run Windows or other MS software.

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So many things holding the Linux desktop back. No support from OEM vendors to sell pre-installed devices on consumer stores, even if they do support it, it is a custom OEM distro, because differentiation, like on the netbooks, Android, or drivers tied to a specific Ubuntu release, with shovelware. Games, no studio cares about Linux native games, thus Proton. Game studios keep happily using Windows, Visual Studio, up…

And what have you done to fix this? In open source, nobody is coming to save you. You are open source. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48959090

I've been developing open source software since the late '90s. I was a Debian developer for nearly 15 years. I stopped actively participating in this stuff about 10 years ago. I'm involved in a few libraries and that's it.

The "Linux" ecosystem is utter chaos, and there are too many developers who are their own worst enemies. There's too much churn, and too little strategic thought. Compatibility is king. Microsoft know this, or used to. But too many developers on the Linux/open source side of things don't care. They have repeatedly self-sabotaged the development of a coherent ecosystem throughout the last three decades by repeatedly breaking backward compatibility and replacing well-established software with incompatible replacements. Even RedHat. The pursuit of new and shiny trumps compatibility every time, and half-baked new technologies replace stable and established technologies long before they are ready, leading to developers and end users being eternal beta testers of rubbish. It is not possible to develop software for a platform which does frequent rug-pulls leaving your software unusable.

This isn't solvable by any individual, no matter how hard or how long they work for.

That's part of the reason why I switched to FreeBSD as a replacement for a good bit of stuff I previously did on Linux. It might be lacking in some aspects, but there's not quite the same level of insane and pointless churn without purpose.

And I say this as someone who used to hand-build kernels from applied patch files, back when it was fun and the improvements were consequential.

Re: How proprietary formats have become Microsoft’s main tool for lock-in

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I think TDF tries to push a wrong narrative here for their lack of engineering and funding. Competitive products like Google Docs, WPS or Euro Office solve proprietary file format problem very nicely. Microsoft themselves had to solve that exact problem for Lotus 1-2-3. Proprietary file formats are an industry standard. It is the lowest resistance way to deliver features and you cannot blame your competitor to have m…

This is not true.

In my company I decided we would not depend on Microsoft products. We use kSuite that offers everything MS does, ~90% cheaper. The one real problem we run into is PowerPoint decks that look different or get corrupted when used across different Office suites, including ones that are focused on Microsoft compatibility like OnlyOffice.

Proprietary formats are a clear lock-in tool, because the cost of dealing with incompatibility is higher than the cost of paying the piper. (Although me being stubborn I made claude rewrite the OOXML to behave, but that's an absurd thing to need to do!)

If open formats were the standard and could be reliably exchanged, it would remove a big reason to ever use Office products.

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I think TDF tries to push a wrong narrative here for their lack of engineering and funding. Competitive products like Google Docs, WPS or Euro Office solve proprietary file format problem very nicely. Microsoft themselves had to solve that exact problem for Lotus 1-2-3. Proprietary file formats are an industry standard. It is the lowest resistance way to deliver features and you cannot blame your competitor to have m…

Foreign government officials choosing Microsoft is not always the result of Microsoft been the best option. Sometimes, little bit of bribing helps.

"Microsoft is paying more than $25 million to settle federal corruption charges involving a bribery scheme in Hungary and other foreign offices."

https://apnews.com/article/f6852284a2154ac5ab422d51495c4056

Trump government now makes bribing more useful.

https://apnews.com/article/fcpa-bribery-trump-antibribery-la...

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