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>Mullvad discusses its ideals of “a free and open society,” A free and open society does not mean that law and order cannot exist. Nor does it mean that immigration laws cannot be created or enforced.
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I guess we're all just using our own definition of freedom. It'll make reasonable discussions incredibly difficult however.
To make things clear my definition of a free society is one where the society itself governs how it is run. The opposite of this is when another country, organization, or person is dictating how it is run overriding how the society wants to do things.
> As if it isn’t a problem that their CEO is supporting policies that go against everything that Mullvad stands for as a company. Mullvads mission is about privacy and against mass surveillance. That mission has nothing to do with their co-CEOs personal stance on immigration. I don't necessarily see the conflict of interest that the blog talks about?
It is really not difficult to draw this line to spot contradiction between co-CEO's personal stance and the company's mission.
Being this sensitive to company leadership political activity is going to exhaust a person and time would be better spent being careful to buy products with minimal value added from authoritarian nations with a history of gross human rights issues.
Lots of counties don't want immigration, especially after they let a large group in and deal with integration challenges. The CCP forcefully places ethnic Han into minority homes to function as de facto informants. The Russians broke up Finnish/Ukrainian families en masse, moving them to the other end of Russia to minimize the likelihood of dissent in occupied areas.
There are a lot worse ideas at play in the world than some of the more extreme suggestions that this very infant-sized Swedish party flirt with. On a scale of 1-10 heinousness, barely registers on the global stage.
My thinking goes more like this:
This product I bought from this nation... Does that Nation tend to value human rights, freedom of expression and liberal values? Sweden... Check.
I can buy Swedish products all day. They make nice jets and mobile artillery that push back on the really bad ideas. One CEO's affiliation with an anti immigration populist party which honestly doesn't seem that serious... They've got some Marxist ideas in there. I really doubt these guys go much of anywhere in their current form. It's a capitalist society. Some of their ideas will stick but the party is immature. I wouldn't worry so much.
So what does a political blogpost have to do with HN or tech?
Previous discussion: The CEO of Mullvad is the main financer of the Swedish Örebro party 695 points | 1784 comments ( https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48717469 ) It also has a comment from the other founder: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48696800
Welp I'll be moving from Mullvad. Shame they have a no friction service.
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Such an overreaction and mischaracterization.
Being unable to evaluate an anti immigration party without labeling them ethnonationist shows a pretty glaring blind spot.
Earlier quoted context omitted.
To make things clear my definition of a free society is one where the society itself governs how it is run. The opposite of this is when another country, organization, or person is dictating how it is run overriding how the society wants to do things.
Do you consider governance of majority to minority as a part of free society?
I do not consider that as a requirement free society. While representational democracies give governance to a small amount of people compared to the overall populace theoretical you could have a society where everyone was on equal footing and all contributed to decisions being made.
On the topic of privacy, the reason to use an LLM to write is stylometry. If I use my own voice to write anything of significant length, enough personal mannerisms will come through, so that I can be identified by my writing. If someone were to do something subversive, and wanted to be anonymous, that's one more thing to do to hide your tracks.