Hacker News Board Hacker News, browsed like a classic message board
Live data from Hacker News

Orion Browser by Kagi

orionbrowser.com

Post reply on HN
Print view View original

141–150 of 322 posts

Re: Orion Browser by Kagi

#141

Post by janandonly »

c16 wrote: post #116
matheusmoreira wrote: post #92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Built-in ad-blocking Definitely enjoying this trend. I think Brave was the first to do it, and now Kagi is doing it too in their own browser. The web without adblocking is so unusable it might as well be considered broken. Ad blockers are the new popup blockers: they should be built into the browsers themselves as first class features. Only conflicts of interest prevented that. Couldn't trust a company funded by Go…

As an ad-blocker user for years, I agree. On the flip side, how do blogs, news, and every day ad-serving websites survive without them? If it dies, it dies? Maybe this is not a discussion for here right now. But it's definitely something I've thought of. Not everyone want to pay for news.

We should revive the micro payments feature that where built into very early browsers.

It didn’t catch on back then. But time are changing.

Re: Orion Browser by Kagi

#144

Post by self_awareness »

lugoues wrote: post #51
KPGv2 wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

WebKit is a rendering engine, not a browser. It's a bit like saying "that isn't original art because you used Earth physics that govern how paint flows and dries.

How dare you paint without making your own pigments!

You make your own pigments? I hope you didn't re-use already existing atoms for that

Re: Orion Browser by Kagi

#145

Post by greggoB »

margalabargala wrote: post #63
greggoB wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> If you ask them what guarantees you have that they won't someday decide to sell your search history, their response will be "well, it doesn't make financial sense for us to do so. Now drop it" and ban you. Can you provide any evidence of them having done this? As a paying Kagi subscriber, I am surely interested in knowing more.

If you click the link in my earlier comment, the author of that post goes into that including screenshots from the Kagi discord. It's the last thing before the postmortem. > and ban you I was wrong about the banning; I misremembered that.

Strange, I don't remember seeing the blog post link there - I must have just skipped over that. In general I found some parts provided interesting info (e.g. Kagi bought a t-shirt producer, Kagi started out as an AI company in 2018), both with links to Kagi's own blog articles; some I found a bit naive (the tax stuff, which can easily be the case and doesn't have to be a conspiracy); and some just politics between the author and the Kagi founder. In general a lot of it came down to how the author feels about Kagi, by my estimation at least.

> I was wrong about the banning; I misremembered that.

Sort of a big thing to accuse them of and then realize you just "misremembered". At a min you could edit your earlier comment to note this.

Re: Orion Browser by Kagi

#146

Post by Kye »

janandonly wrote: post #141
c16 wrote: post #116

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As an ad-blocker user for years, I agree. On the flip side, how do blogs, news, and every day ad-serving websites survive without them? If it dies, it dies? Maybe this is not a discussion for here right now. But it's definitely something I've thought of. Not everyone want to pay for news.

We should revive the micro payments feature that where built into very early browsers. It didn’t catch on back then. But time are changing.

I don't remember that, though I only started with early Netscape. Do you have more detail?

Re: Orion Browser by Kagi

#147

Post by LukaD »

janandonly wrote: post #141
c16 wrote: post #116

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As an ad-blocker user for years, I agree. On the flip side, how do blogs, news, and every day ad-serving websites survive without them? If it dies, it dies? Maybe this is not a discussion for here right now. But it's definitely something I've thought of. Not everyone want to pay for news.

We should revive the micro payments feature that where built into very early browsers. It didn’t catch on back then. But time are changing.

> We should revive the micro payments feature that where built into very early browsers.

I don't think this was ever a thing. I know there's HTTP 402 and before 2000 there were some standards around payment being pursued but AFAIK nothing ever made it into browsers. Or am I missing something?

Re: Orion Browser by Kagi

#148

Post by darkamaul »

8jy89hui wrote: post #65

I tried using Orion mobile for months but I just kept running into so many UI bugs that I had to switch away from it :(. I love Kagi, but Orion just feels unpolished right now

I have quite the opposite view here. I have switched from Firefox to Orion on my iPhone a year ago (potentially more?) and had a great experience.

Sure they are sometimes some buggy UI controls (like the focus not working), but for the most part, the experience has been smooth.

Did you try to report the bugs when you had some? Maybe this could help everyone else using the browser.

Re: Orion Browser by Kagi

#150

Post by saagarjha »

laserbeam wrote: post #118
jorvi wrote: post #102

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are browser UIs themselves vectors for serious exploits? Orion uses WebKit and I assume they try to track as close to the release branch as possible. So if you trust WebKit, you can trust Orion. Personally I'm more of a Brave guy though, despite having been a Kagi user since 2024 :). What I'd really wish for is an EU browser that 'just works'. Vivaldi is nice but it often has papercuts because it has a small team beh…

> Orion uses WebKit and _I assume_ they try to track as close to the release branch as possible. So if you trust WebKit, you can trust Orion. The problem is you're stuck at assuming, but can't verify.

This in particular is not very difficult to verify
Post reply on HN