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This is one of the things the community is pissed with https://github.com/euro-office They are using Microsoft formats instead of the open-source one.
This is one of the things the community is pissed with https://github.com/euro-office They are using Microsoft formats instead of the open-source one.
> Open Source is a global effort, but current political situation makes collaboration hard and trust difficult to earn. Especially when development is not transparent and open. I find this an odd statement. I would understand an explanation that forking was chosen on ideological grounds, but, how is development "not transparent and open" in an open source project? Sounds a bit contradictory. Plus doesn't the fact tha…
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its been 20 years, their strategy now is to incorporate open source into their product offering
That strategy is over 20 years old: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embrace,_extend,_and_extinguis...
I think people should get over with "file formats" Cloud/browser based office tools were already a thing decade ago. Do we have an open format except .md ? Sadly no. Afterall, format is just a way to serialize features.
This is one of the things the community is pissed with https://github.com/euro-office They are using Microsoft formats instead of the open-source one.
> Open Source is a global effort, but current political situation makes collaboration hard and trust difficult to earn. Especially when development is not transparent and open. I find this an odd statement. I would understand an explanation that forking was chosen on ideological grounds, but, how is development "not transparent and open" in an open source project? Sounds a bit contradictory. Plus doesn't the fact tha…
Im guessing cathedral rather than bazaar?
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its been 20 years, their strategy now is to incorporate open source into their product offering
Yeah, and block as much as possible the possibility to include their cash cow (office) in open source: the desktop Microsoft Office apps are impossible to run under Linux without a VM, and the web versions are a PITA and lack many necessary features.
Its an amazing schadenfruede, and im revelling in it
I think people should get over with "file formats" Cloud/browser based office tools were already a thing decade ago. Do we have an open format except .md ? Sadly no. Afterall, format is just a way to serialize features.
FWIW, LLMs make this 95% less of a problem. It’s possible to create read-only viewers for Word, Excel & PowerPoint files that are more-or-less pixel accurate on 99% of files, so long as the user has the correct fonts installed (or, in the case of the PowerPoint, they come embedded).
There's plenty of viewers, I think even MS used to offer free MS Office readers. We need interoperability between MSOffice and everything else. But were stuck with MSOffice because even the so called open format is not well documented. MS Office is the last roadblock for Linux desktop. It's literally the last thing holding back many users from moving to anything else.
No support from OEM vendors to sell pre-installed devices on consumer stores, even if they do support it, it is a custom OEM distro, because differentiation, like on the netbooks, Android, or drivers tied to a specific Ubuntu release, with shovelware.
Games, no studio cares about Linux native games, thus Proton. Game studios keep happily using Windows, Visual Studio, up to Valve to do the needful, at least as long as current management is around.
Governments, plenty of jurisdictions still have software that requires either Windows or macOS desktop software.
And then we have the whole desktop fragmentation, that makes people don't care and ship shitty Electron apps or command line software.
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And what if those "cloud based office tools", which would be using proprietary file formats internally, shut down? Or heck, what if they announce to raise their pricing? All of your docs gone. No possibility to migrate.
Hmm, I believe there're many open-source self-hostable office solutions. And they don't share a universal format.