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Re: If You Build It, They Will Come

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“I’ve come to believe that part of today’s problem of social alienation is a problem of too many free riders.” I started planning street festivals a few years ago. It’s now a lucrative and growing business for me. The demand for events at all scales vastly outstrips supply, and I think growing social isolation is part of the reason. The free riders might seem like a problem to someone who just wants there to be event…

Would love to hear more about the impetus for your festivals, the festivals, and the process to get there.

Interesting. I’ve been debating starting a social media channel teaching people how to do it.

Re: If You Build It, They Will Come

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we have tons of street festivals in chicago in summer but now they have lost been outsourced to festival companies and subsequently lost all charm and local feel. They are all copy paste of each other and outright scams. how do you make sure they have some charecter and dont turn into mc-festival

This is a huge problem with many cases of “just do something.” The minute it looks like a money making opportunity, or something that can be arbitraged, someone will inevitably turn it into a business and scale it up and now it’s no longer That Cool Community Thing. It’s yet another extractive business.

It’s more than just that (though I’m sure that’s part of it).

The thing about festivals is they have real economies of scale. For instance sponsors value getting in front of 25,000 people really highly, but they don’t value a 2,500 person festival at all. (I’m speaking general audience, in some niches a high quality small crowd is still worth money.) The portapotties get cheaper when you’re ordering however many come on one truck. The dumpster and tent companies don’t charge you any more for a 3 day rental than a one day. Etc.

So to make the business model grow you grow the festival. But soon you’re running a big security budget, so you look around for who in your area does security fit really big events. There are two firms. Ok you pick one.

Now the city wants to talk about your sanitation plan. Ok who does sanitation as a service here? OK there’s one company. Who can provide me a few 40 yd dumpsters and retrieve them on Sunday night? Ok there are like two willing to do that. Who rents large tents that has a fire permit in your city and can bring out a forklift because we’re on hard surface so we need 500lb cement anchors according to my city fire department. Ok there’s one vendor.

How do I feed 25k people? Well who does f&b for large events. Oh there are a few and they’re bidding on me. Guess I’ll go with the highest bidder among the few big national f&b firms. (My festivals are food festivals and I can handle f&b for 25,000 eaters no problem because I have run many large food truck festivals and I know who is good but most promoters cannot tell the good food operators from the bad and there are so many of both.)

So what happens is you’ve got all these pieces and you get to a level where just practical reasons as well as municipality rules make you choose between a handful of basically interchangeable vendors. And those vendors all do a good job and aren’t price gouging (they’ve got plenty of labor cost too) but they kinda all look the same.

Re: If You Build It, They Will Come

#203

“I’ve come to believe that part of today’s problem of social alienation is a problem of too many free riders.” I started planning street festivals a few years ago. It’s now a lucrative and growing business for me. The demand for events at all scales vastly outstrips supply, and I think growing social isolation is part of the reason. The free riders might seem like a problem to someone who just wants there to be event…

What kind of street festivals are we talking about?

Mine are food-focused.

Re: If You Build It, They Will Come

#204

“I’ve come to believe that part of today’s problem of social alienation is a problem of too many free riders.” I started planning street festivals a few years ago. It’s now a lucrative and growing business for me. The demand for events at all scales vastly outstrips supply, and I think growing social isolation is part of the reason. The free riders might seem like a problem to someone who just wants there to be event…

we have tons of street festivals in chicago in summer but now they have lost been outsourced to festival companies and subsequently lost all charm and local feel. They are all copy paste of each other and outright scams. how do you make sure they have some charecter and dont turn into mc-festival

Well, I don’t think I’ve gotten to mc-festival scale yet so I don’t know. I’ve got a few festivals in the 25k attendee range, which is big but I have vended at some that are and order of magnitude bigger. The biggest fest I do, Circleville Pumpkin Show, gets 400,000 people, is so old it had to skip a year for WWI, and is very much the opposite of a corporate festival.

But I’ve also done the MLB all-star game, and subcontracted through a few major f&b firms and those started off as corporate as they come.

I don’t think I’ve yet been involved in one that became corporate after starting off small but I’ll let you know if I get there.

Re: If You Build It, They Will Come

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When I became homeless (again) about 26 years ago, the buses were a place of refuge and relaxation for me. I could easily pay the fare and stay on a long haul line. I'd be assured of safety and quietness for about 2 hours or so. The area clinics were participating in this, because they could procure "Reduced Fare" passes that they would distribute to mentally ill patients, and we could get unlimited transit rides all…

That's not really anything to do with fare evasion. That's a global systemic problem. That's the entire system being completely retarded, for political reasons ("look, we're solving homelessness")

Fare evasion on the trains here is child’s play. It’s on the honor system and so if a fare inspector pops you, worst case you’re disembarking at the next station.

In 18 years, I’ve literally never ever seen an inspector giving a stiffer penalty than that!

Re: If You Build It, They Will Come

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Why do you need free public transit for this? Why not just cheap public transit? Cars certainly aren't free, but people drive them because cars are just far better in most ways; you get to listen to your own music, they can be fun to drive, are incredibly flexible (can go anywhere), don't have the last mile problem, take like half the time unless it's rush hour, etc. Cost just isn't the reason people aren't using pub…

You need cars because you live in the country where cities are built around the assumption of car ownership. Go to any place with an adequate public transit and you'll see a lot less cars. Go to Tokyo and you'll be shocked, it's the largest city in the world and their highways are practically empty. It just doesn't make any sense to drive when your public transit is that good.

I have been to Tokyo, and I agree with you; perhaps I should have been clearer, but my point was that in American cities you DO need cars (this is a given, however unfortunate it is), and so you are going to already have a car and the costs that go along with it, and as such you are not going to use public transit even when you could because you already have a car. If I had had a car when I was in Tokyo I certainly would have used it! Public transit takes half an hour to go a couple miles, and cost wise gas is cheaper! In the scenario where you already have a car, it doesn't make sense to use public transit 90% of the time. Does that make sense?

The only point I was trying to make here was that cost isn't the reason public transit doesn't work in American cities, and making public transit free will in fact make it worse rather than better. I want good public transit too, don't worry!

Re: If You Build It, They Will Come

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Someone tried to organize a street fair near me, did public outreach for months, and a week before the date a business owner a block away from the street fair contacted the city with a fake list of all the local businesses who said they hadn’t even known about this and it would destroy them, and the city didn’t issue the final permit. No event. (The list was known to be faked because some of the business owners liste…

So how did your lawsuit go against him?

Is this a joke about how Americans sue over everything?

Re: If You Build It, They Will Come

#208
"If You Build It, They Will Come"

How about:

"If You Buy It, They Will Stay"

I think a great social fabric for today should be about purchases. Of course, a wise person can learn from everyone, but why not create social groups around common purchases? Imagine meeting your doppelganger in consumer taste?

"Make something people want." >> "Meet people who have the same things!"

Re: If You Build It, They Will Come

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I feel the question was about transit fare observance relative to anti-social behavior. Not about culture overall. At least not substantially

social is a complex topic and could not be wathered down into 1 aspect
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