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Texas Police Spent $4.5M on Four Chevy Tahoes

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Re: Texas Police Spent $4.5M on Four Chevy Tahoes

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Wireless cell communications have no expectation of privacy?

Have you asserted or waived your rights? You may have the right to consult an attorney.

I certainly have no agreement with the Texas police or any government through which I could have waived any rights.

Re: Texas Police Spent $4.5M on Four Chevy Tahoes

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It’s the “within their reach” that constitutes the targeting, it seems to me. Maybe “particularized scrutiny” is a better word? Each fancy radio can only be in one place at one time, and presumably with a human operator in the vehicle or wearing the backpack. Which emulates a cell station, not all tens of thousands of them in the state simultaneously. That feels much more like “DUI checkpoint checking all cars on thi…

> Each fancy radio can only be in one place at one time 5G mid-band (let's go with the charitable option) has an effective range of up to 2miles. So no big deal, just all 5G communications within up to a 12sq mi circle surrounding the vehicle. Don't think that's exactly "targeted".

> Don't think that's exactly "targeted".

Legally, there's a debate to be had.

A telescope on a hill that can see everything within a 12sq mi circle Vs a "google maps" type 360 panorama lens on the same hill.

Live only versus 24/7 recording, filtered (only pointed at one house of interest / only logging specific devices / only logging a network of devices that interact with devices of interest)

The question re: "targeted" goes to whether it's opened ended recording of everything, or filtered and targeted sifting out of warranted subjects.

Re: Texas Police Spent $4.5M on Four Chevy Tahoes

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I realize this particular case is state level but at the federal level $21 TRILLION has been spent on militarization including police forces from 2001-2021 https://ips-dc.org/report-state-of-insecurity-cost-militariz... enough is enough, it is beyond ridiculous, imagine how much food, clothing, shelter and healthcare that could have bought instead

I think the vast majority of the public has no comprehension of what a trillion even is. All the “*illions” are units they will never have to deal with in their personal lives.

However, I suspect a family of four could start to understand $300k of cash they (and everyone they know) couldn’t have because the money was used for such purposes...

Even over 20 years, that’s like a nice new car every other year…

Sure, taxation isn’t uniform but this is an enormous amount of money!

Re: Texas Police Spent $4.5M on Four Chevy Tahoes

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Constitutionally granted rights cannot be waived, no matter what a legal agreement says.

You can certainly do so, such as waiving the right to a jury trial.

Yes. People can waive a trial altogether, even a trial by judge. It has to be done in front of a judge, and is limited to that trial for that person.

Re: Texas Police Spent $4.5M on Four Chevy Tahoes

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Answer: Military Grade surveillance tech > Naturally, it wasn’t just $4.5 million for four 2026 Chevy Tahoes, though the SUVs themselves were still bizarrely expensive at $150,000 a piece. Here’s how the purchase order breaks down: - FalcoNet Core System (x4): $2,850,000 - Unlicensed FalcoNet core system: $200,000 - Delta 5G Perpetual license for FalcoNet V (x4): $280,000 - 2026 Chevrolet Tahoe (x4): $600,000 - Falco…

The obvious question then becomes why 4 military-grade surveillance Tech Tahoes are needed. Was three not enough for the current demand for military grade surveillance by the police? Why is there so much demand for military grade surveillance? Is there a better way to address that core need? A million bucks buys a lot of essential services.

> Why is there so much demand for military grade surveillance?

Because there's just not enough room in the budget for things like community engagement, rehabilitation programs, and similar things, so we have to spend millions on military surveillance gear to compensate for the absence of community engagement, rehabilitation programs, and similar things. Isn't it obvious?

Re: Texas Police Spent $4.5M on Four Chevy Tahoes

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The obvious question then becomes why 4 military-grade surveillance Tech Tahoes are needed. Was three not enough for the current demand for military grade surveillance by the police? Why is there so much demand for military grade surveillance? Is there a better way to address that core need? A million bucks buys a lot of essential services.

John Oliver did a report on militarization of police 11 years ago . It's only become worse since: https://youtu.be/KUdHIatS36A?is=C86HI8463VZnqjXU

And Radley Balko blogged about it every day 20 years ago before publishing a book in 2013 literally subtitled as The Militarization of America’s Police

Re: Texas Police Spent $4.5M on Four Chevy Tahoes

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Cops are lazy and dumb as well. They use flock to find people in the area and accuse them of crimes they didn't commit.

They also use flock to find and accuse people who did commit crimes and accuse them of having done so. They also find and accuse people of crimes they didn’t commit without using Flock. They also use Flock to skip accusing people who they might have suspected if it weren’t for Flock evidence that exonerates them. It seems like any meaningful analysis needs to consider the rates of all four combinations of {true|false…

The police almost never use any available evidence to exonerate anyone.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-7o9xYp7eE

Re: Texas Police Spent $4.5M on Four Chevy Tahoes

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post #51

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Have you asserted or waived your rights? You may have the right to consult an attorney.

Constitutionally granted rights cannot be waived, no matter what a legal agreement says.

High certainty statement, where did you get that from?

Re: Texas Police Spent $4.5M on Four Chevy Tahoes

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The cartels have also militarized. Bit of a vicious cycle we’re in.

Yes, the cartels have always been at war with the Texas Department of Public Safety Criminal Investigation Division...

You say it sarcastically, but any law enforcement agency is an enemy of the cartels goals and therefore at risk in the event of intervention.

Re: Texas Police Spent $4.5M on Four Chevy Tahoes

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I'm pretty sure you're misunderstanding the definition of "targeted". It has nothing to do with the total capacity of the system, it's about the ability differentiate a specific target from everything else. The design of these systems is the opposite of that: they're intended to intercept everything within their reach. The fact that with only four devices, their reach isn't (yet) so great has no bearing.

It’s the “within their reach” that constitutes the targeting, it seems to me. Maybe “particularized scrutiny” is a better word? Each fancy radio can only be in one place at one time, and presumably with a human operator in the vehicle or wearing the backpack. Which emulates a cell station, not all tens of thousands of them in the state simultaneously. That feels much more like “DUI checkpoint checking all cars on thi…

> DUI checkpoint checking all cars on this road at this time

isnt this only allowed in that you need a license to drive?

theres no equivalent where the cops camp a walkway and demand everyone show whats in their pockets

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