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Claude Fable produced a counterexample to the Jacobian Conjecture

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Re: Claude Fable produced a counterexample to the Jacobian Conjecture

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I'd rather wait for independent seasoned mathematicians to verify such claims first before someone at said AI lab posting a claim about solving a proof online. Let this be a lesson to those who fell for such AI psychosis and to not believe everything you see on the internet as real.

Looks like this has already been formalized: https://github.com/deancureton/jacobian

To be clear, this is not the kind of thing where a Lean formalization provides any value at all. It's like formalizing the answer to a high school algebra problem. The counterexample is obviously correct.

Re: Claude Fable produced a counterexample to the Jacobian Conjecture

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The surprising thing is that the counterexample seems relatively "simple" in that it's low degree, with coefficients that aren't too large. Does anyone more familiar with this know why this _wasn't_ found earlier, when it seems like you could brute-force through some low-order polynomials?

Same awnser as much of the LLM Proofs - people cared about other things. There isn't a lot of money in academic math, and the ones that love it don't look for low value findings. Proofs like these are, funnily enough, usually the domain of hobbyists - but over the last few years, the "Monetize everything" mentality and struggling first world economy has pushed people away from interesting academic pursuits on their f…

My understanding is that this is in a different league (Smale problem) than a lot of the other results that have been coming out (Erdos), though I could be wrong.

Re: Claude Fable produced a counterexample to the Jacobian Conjecture

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Maybe not? https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Jacobian_conjectu...

I think the editor themselves misunderstood the conjecture. UPD: The edit got reverted and there's this on the talk page now: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Jacobian_conjecture#c-DaR... UPD2: There are edit wars happening now: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Jacobian_conjectu... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Jacobian_conjecture#c-Sea...

Wikipedia's gonna Wikipedia. Unless there's a material debate over the Jacobian Conjecture itself, there's really no open question here. This isn't a complicated proof; it's a straightforwardly checkable certificate of a solution.

Re: Claude Fable produced a counterexample to the Jacobian Conjecture

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To be fair to the sycophancy tendencies, this was an open conjecture that held for 85 years, and not for lack of trying. So, maybe a bit warranted here? :)

I told GPT5.6 I came up with this walking down the street. "Jesus Christ" was its response.

Lol, you must have some custom instructions on that beast, lol

Re: Claude Fable produced a counterexample to the Jacobian Conjecture

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The great thing about these mathematical mopping up type operations is that no person will waste their time trying to prove it to be true anymore. If anything that’s a win. It would be great if an LLM could settle the Collatz conjecture next, god knows how many man-years have been burned on that by unsuspecting victims.

The reason this was "easy" is because the conjecture turned out to be false. If the collatz conjecture holds true (and most mathematicians seem to think it will), it will be much harder to prove than your average Erdos problem.

True but Noam brown (openai researcher) said that in 2 years AI will start creating new math.

Re: Claude Fable produced a counterexample to the Jacobian Conjecture

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the conjecture held for 85 years and the counterexample was announced in a format that expires after seven days

The surprising thing is that the counterexample seems relatively "simple" in that it's low degree, with coefficients that aren't too large. Does anyone more familiar with this know why this _wasn't_ found earlier, when it seems like you could brute-force through some low-order polynomials?

Reading the chain of thought for Fable, it is incredulous as well. It keeps thinking that it must be missing something or that this is a trick, because it can't have just found a counterexample to a famous conjecture. It's just like us!

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Re: Claude Fable produced a counterexample to the Jacobian Conjecture

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The goal posts have moved. People generally stopped saying this stuff now. Even if you go to the ultimate anti-AI subreddit r/betteroffline, they've changed from "AI is useless" to "AI is good but the AI bubble will collapse soon" over the last 6 months.

People have definitely not stopped saying this stuff.

Morons still say it, but then they would, wouldn't they?

Re: Claude Fable produced a counterexample to the Jacobian Conjecture

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post #56

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To be fair to the sycophancy tendencies, this was an open conjecture that held for 85 years, and not for lack of trying. So, maybe a bit warranted here? :)

I told GPT5.6 I came up with this walking down the street. "Jesus Christ" was its response.

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Re: Claude Fable produced a counterexample to the Jacobian Conjecture

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Maybe not? https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Jacobian_conjectu...

I think the editor themselves misunderstood the conjecture. UPD: The edit got reverted and there's this on the talk page now: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Jacobian_conjecture#c-DaR... UPD2: There are edit wars happening now: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Jacobian_conjectu... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Jacobian_conjecture#c-Sea...

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