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Re: Ollama: All Aboard Open Models

#51

- stop using ollama - https://sleepingrobots.com/dreams/stop-using-ollama/

This article is really helpful for finding alternatives. I was already using LMStudio but I love that I now know about a couple of true open source alternatives I can try out.

Re: Ollama: All Aboard Open Models

#55

I think the "8.9 million developers use ollama" figure they throw around is contrived. I found this 2025 article which posits that there were 47.2 million software developers in the world. Even the number of developers has doubled in a year (plausible if you account for the rise in vibe coding), I think it's very unlikely that 1 in 10 developers use ollama. https://www.slashdata.co/post/global-developer-population-tr…

No no no…. You see, with AI, everyone and their dog is a developer now. 8.9 million looks pretty pathetic when considering the global computer-using population.

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#56

Cool to learn that the founders also had a hand in developing Docker Desktop in the past!

Does anyone actually like Docker Desktop? I much preferred Docker before it had weird UI parts to too. Have since switched to Podman.

on macOS it was horrible. I have been using orbstack for a while now and it has successfully stayed out of my way.

Re: Ollama: All Aboard Open Models

#57
A lot of hate for Ollama in this thread. Am I understanding correctly that it is all based on not crediting llama.cpp correctly? I can't find any other argument against it, other than some minor performance differences. Where Ollama stands out is user interface. It's easy to overlook how difficult and important that is.

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post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

See also: why friends don't let friends use permissive software licenses. The llama.cpp authorized ollama to do this... Unintentionally.

Literally the main point of this blog post: >The project’s binary distributions didn’t include the required MIT license notice for the llama.cpp code they were shipping. This isn’t a matter of open-source etiquette, the MIT license has exactly one major requirement: include the copyright notice. Ollama didn’t.

How sure are we that it didn't include the notice? There isn't any prescribed form or location for the notice, so you're trying to prove a negative.

Re: Ollama: All Aboard Open Models

#59

A lot of hate for Ollama in this thread. Am I understanding correctly that it is all based on not crediting llama.cpp correctly? I can't find any other argument against it, other than some minor performance differences. Where Ollama stands out is user interface. It's easy to overlook how difficult and important that is.

I dumped ollama yesterday after reading a similar thread. I definitely don’t condone what ollama has done but yes, definitely their UX is far better - as an end user.

Their docker-like extending and defining new models is really simple (coming from a docker background).

Installing new models with llama.cpp seems nontrivial. Perhaps it was using the mac dmg instead of curl-pipe-sh.

Unfortunately then llama.cpp crashed my laptop - no error, no feedback, just frozen desktop and reboot.

Went back to a much slower experience with ollama but it just works out of the box… sorry to say.

Re: Ollama: All Aboard Open Models

#60

Cool to learn that the founders also had a hand in developing Docker Desktop in the past!

Does anyone actually like Docker Desktop? I much preferred Docker before it had weird UI parts to too. Have since switched to Podman.

I actually like Docker Desktop a lot, but then again, I've never tried any alternatives. Perhaps I'll give Podman a shot one of these days!
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