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Re: If You Build It, They Will Come

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Post by inigyou »

m3047 wrote: post #188
inigyou wrote: post #162

This is very relevant to FOSS. Why isn't there a good FOSS foobar? Because you didn't build one.

I'm coming to the conclusion that this is the wrong attitude about FOSS. The "model" is: make it possible for people to obtain the product with as little friction as possible. That serves the platforms hosting the product, but how does that serve me as the Maker? I want feedback, I want community (they're not the same the former is users the latter is other Makers). "But the users will suffer frustration and anxiety…

It all starts with making, though.

Re: If You Build It, They Will Come

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Post by NoMoreNicksLeft »

Exoristos wrote: post #39

America used to be awash with grassroots social institutions. I know an elderly gent who belonged to the Lions _and_ two similar organizations. When my mother was young, there were dances and dinners multiple nights a week. Which, for me, raises the question why weren't these things passed down? Why weren't the young a kind of apprentices to the old? That seems like the natural progression. But we see this generation…

>Which, for me, raises the question why weren't these things passed down? Why weren't the young a kind of apprentices to the old?

Because at that time, the younger generation outnumbered the old. And today, the older generation outnumbers the younger. They grew up in a growing world, and you have grown up in a shrinking world. Not shrinking quite so quickly that you can't help but notice... not yet. We're not Japan, not yet. When you read that heartwarming story about the Japanese train line that stays open until that one Japanese girl finishes high school, that happened because she was part of a shrinking society. Do you think they had dances planned multiple nights per week in her prefecture?

Re: If You Build It, They Will Come

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Post by pclowes »

inigyou wrote: post #190
pclowes wrote: post #187

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I don’t think you appreciate how hard it is to get arrested and how ineffective it is when a DA won’t prosecute crimes. Like yes in a more perfect and just society, this would not be a problem. In fact, most cities can operate just fine without barrier-esque fare gates. However, when you are trying to pull a city out of a societal doom loop, you need to do what you can when you can. I think it would blow your mind if…

The USA has 25% of the world's prisoners. I don't think it has a problem with not enough policing.

This still feels like a good faith discussion so I’ll engage.

The US does over incarcerate on average. There is clearly a problem there! The solution is not abdicating prosecution and the rule of law to make up for it in “progressive” cities.

Taking the Iryna Zarutska case as an extreme example, I don’t think anyone would argue that the killer should have been on that train. He should have been imprisoned/involuntarily committed a long time ago.

It is not progressive or empathetic to allow predators to with severe mental or drug issues with long histories of violence to repeatedly prey on a specific community regardless of the national incarceration rate.

Having people who come across as crazy or violent on public transportation makes the average citizen vote for the very policies that produce over incarceration (or defund public transportation) because they look around and their lived experience is that there are not enough police or bad people in jail and that the taxpayer dollars are wasted on public transportation because it becomes a cesspool of crime and drug use.

If you want to lower incarceration and you want people to use public transportation, it must be clean and orderly and socially sustainable.

Re: If You Build It, They Will Come

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Post by DonHopkins »

PaulDavisThe1st wrote: post #185
DonHopkins wrote: post #157

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Tim Pozar and Brewster Kahle CHM Interview by Marc Weber October 29 1996 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u2h2LHRFbNA Brewster said: But also the early stuff has got people's dreams. The early people that sort of say -- you know, the early people on the web, like you, doing your dinosaur exhibit. You've got this ability to be able to do something new and different. But at some point, people will just say, "oh, well, y…

> > And right now already, the web has sort of stagnated, people's idea of it has really focused down to the stuff the technicians have given This comment has not aged well at all.

Not as unwell aged as the Dumbold Voting Machine's P. Diddy "Vote or Die" disaster that either electrocuts you or sets you on fire if you choose "Die".

https://donhopkins.medium.com/dumbold-voting-machine-for-the...

Re: If You Build It, They Will Come

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Post by nektro »

Exoristos wrote: post #39

America used to be awash with grassroots social institutions. I know an elderly gent who belonged to the Lions _and_ two similar organizations. When my mother was young, there were dances and dinners multiple nights a week. Which, for me, raises the question why weren't these things passed down? Why weren't the young a kind of apprentices to the old? That seems like the natural progression. But we see this generation…

> Why weren't the young a kind of apprentices to the old?

this question could explain almost everything about american life right now

Re: If You Build It, They Will Come

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Post by joveian »

BobbyTables2 wrote: post #133
joveian wrote: post #119

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A quick look at your comments history suggests you are in the US. Of course individual circumstances can vary but overall looking at median disposable income adjusted for purchasing power parity (median equivalised household disposable income), the US is the wealthiest non-tiny country in the world (tecnically this data only covers the OECD and Luxembourg, a country smaller than many US cities, is the wealthiest). ht…

The statistics may suggest that but it rarely feels that way. It’s hard to not feel financially insecure from mid-teens through mid 30s-40s in age. And after then, there is just a sense that things will work out if one doesn’t screw up employment, house purchase, or face unexpected health issues. The less prudent can easily trip and fall, metaphorically speaking. Plus childcare expenses and retirement savings easily…

It is not hard for anyone to find things they can't afford so it can easily feel that way. So it is helpful to consider the reality in more depth when reaching for that as an excuse.

Re: If You Build It, They Will Come

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Post by Ferret7446 »

appplication wrote: post #66
nicbou wrote: post #44

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There is a point where the things you took for granted start decaying. Your body, your things, your communities, your relationships. It's only when you start repairing or replacing them that you really value maintenance and the people doing it. As you point out, it's usually done by surprisingly few, surprisingly motivated people, and their work is often underappreciated until they stop doing it. Maybe we should teac…

What you’re describing is essentially the concept of civic duty and, at least in America, it’s unfortunately become deconstructed and politicized to the point where it’s impossible to exist as a meaningful cultural phenomenon. It also relies on people putting effort towards often intangible, uncapitalized, and unextractable shared value. So perhaps it makes sense that this is being diminished over time, as the grip o…

Part of it has to do with having children. If you have kids, you have a stake in the future. The birth rate has been falling, so naturally civic duty has also fallen.

Re: If You Build It, They Will Come

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Post by CHB0403085482 »

pclowes wrote: post #98
greekrich92 wrote: post #96

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The subway should be free, and continuous fare hikes when you're already double paying with your eyes because of all the advertising they shove in front of you is more incentive to turnstile jump. Overpaid do-nothing senior adminstrators and lawmakers who are in the pocket of privatization are the problem, not that 17 year old.

Enforcing fares massively decreases vandalism, and antisocial behavior on public transportation. If you don’t have public transportation that I feel safe having a 10-year-old ride on unaccompanied by an adult then you do not have public transportation. You have a very expensive drug addict shelter on wheels/rails.

It's attitudes like that let that stop any and every public transport being built.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0s86kEUxxak

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