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Is this the end of the once-mighty GoPro?

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Re: Is this the end of the once-mighty GoPro?

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Post by bruce511 »

sarchertech wrote: post #451
bruce511 wrote: post #428

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I'm not sure I agree. In the aircraft industry especially the US has strongly pushed for exports. Overseas programs (TRS2, Avro Arrow) were terminated for political reasons (and replaced with F111 etc). More recently see F35 impact. That's before we discuss the advantage Boeing has in the commercial market thanks to DoD contracts. Your link shows that the US exports the same as the next 20 countries added together. T…

Sure the US benefits by giving arms to Ukraine, or having bases in other countries. But that has nothing to do with the topic at hand which is market dominance for some industry. >Boeing DOD contracts This is probably the closest comparison to what China is doing. But it’s still not the same thing because the US buys equipment from Boeing, they don’t just give them direct subsidies. The equivalent would be if China a…

Oh I agree. The US is not doing the same thing as China at all.

China is spending its money developing manufacturing of goods the world wants. It has targeted markets and the govt is spending money in those markets. The markets they have chosen have huge economic and political value.

By contrast the US has chosen to spend its (govt) money on the military. Because, you know, national security.

The US is spending just as much money as China, but focused on different areas. Your complaint (if there is one) is that China chose different markets and didn't "play the game" (as the USSR did) and base their economy on flashy weapons.

Since the collapse of the USSR in 1990 its not clear to me why US spending on military continues to grow. It's not fear of attack; there is no threat to the US itself. It has to be a desire to project power and influence.

And yet the very limitations of that goal have been exposed in 18 months. The dismantling of USAid (or more accurately the manner of the dismantling) has destroyed 75 years of goodwill. Coupled with punitive tarifs (which are paid for by US consumers) they make the US an unreliable trade partner.

Then the war in Iran showed the very real limitations of the military. To be fair they're currently being lead by incompetence, with no clear goals or strategies. But it reinforces the point that all that military money is wasted when even simple conflicts are lost. And it further drives home the limits of that power projection in unpopular conflicts. A lesson, it would seem, the US wishes to re-learn all the time.

China it seems has different ambitions, and a very different strategy. And I get why you might not like that, because maybe (just maybe) their strategy is the smarter one in the long run.

Re: Is this the end of the once-mighty GoPro?

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Post by antod »

throwaway2037 wrote: post #444
lostlogin wrote: post #376

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> What country and what industries? New Zealand. Meat exports and dairy.

I would assume that China is your biggest trade partner for both of those categories. Is the US a major trade partner for either of those categories? I find it hard to believe. The US (and most rich countries) have way too much domestic dairy farm capacity. As a result, there is lots of govt subsidies paid to dairy farmers.

> The US (and most rich countries) have way too much domestic dairy farm capacity. As a result, there is lots of govt subsidies paid to dairy farmers.

I think you might have cause and effect switched around.

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Post by 20after4 »

fragmede wrote: post #396
coldtea wrote: post #288

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> But China’s industrial dominance is also the government immiserating its people Didn't they bring hundreds of millions out of poverty, and built amazing cities and facilities in the past 30 years? > Domestic consumption in China is famously low Compared to what, the US? Compared to China is at a historical high, isn't it? And they're doing quite well even compared to like 70% of the world and rising.

For bringing people out of poverty, they had laminated placards attached to the doors of people who were poor, and the name of the government official who was responsible for lifting that family out of poverty, and if that government official failed at it, they wouldn't advance in their career.

That's actually kind of brilliant.

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Post by microtonal »

gnabgib wrote: post #459
microtonal wrote: post #457

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My Fenix 8 only gets two weeks at most with pulse ox off. Yes, it's the AMOLED version, but I have the screen off by default (which should be similar to MIP). I got similar runtimes on my 7 Pro Solar without pulse ox.

Err.. my 2yo Fenix 7 Solar definitely lasts 3-4 weeks. Not AMOLED (because.. that's why), but MiP. In summer.. it can last >month. Pulse on, GPS is generally only on in solar. Screen is never off. I can obviously make it a worse UX/last longer, but I'm not sure I see the need.. even when I'm back country.

I wish my 7 Solar had battery times like that. It's possibly because I frequently use mapping on longer bikes.

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Post by sarchertech »

bruce511 wrote: post #571
sarchertech wrote: post #451

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Sure the US benefits by giving arms to Ukraine, or having bases in other countries. But that has nothing to do with the topic at hand which is market dominance for some industry. >Boeing DOD contracts This is probably the closest comparison to what China is doing. But it’s still not the same thing because the US buys equipment from Boeing, they don’t just give them direct subsidies. The equivalent would be if China a…

Oh I agree. The US is not doing the same thing as China at all. China is spending its money developing manufacturing of goods the world wants. It has targeted markets and the govt is spending money in those markets. The markets they have chosen have huge economic and political value. By contrast the US has chosen to spend its (govt) money on the military. Because, you know, national security. The US is spending just…

In terms of PPP, China spends about 60% of what the US does. And looking at the trend over the last 15 years, that number will overtake the US fairly soon.

> Since the collapse of the USSR in 1990 its not clear to me why US spending on military continues to grow. It's not fear of attack; there is no threat to the US itself. It has to be a desire to project power and influence.

The exact same thing is true for China. They can’t be afraid of attack. They have the 3rd largest nuclear arsenal and the 2nd or 3rd most powerful military in the world. Yet they keep growing their military.

> The dismantling of USAid (or more accurately the manner of the dismantling) has destroyed 75 years of goodwill. Coupled with punitive tarifs (which are paid for by US consumers) they make the US an unreliable trade partner.

We have an idiot in the White House. Even when I (very rarely) agree with him on things like tariffs are useful for preventing foreign state sponsored companies from wiping out important domestic industries, he implements them in the most inept way possible.

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Post by teraflop »

konraditurbe wrote: post #512
teraflop wrote: post #233

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One cool feature I've read about is that (at least some) GoPro cameras can save high-resolution IMU measurements to the recorded video files, timestamped and interleaved with video frames. This can be useful for mapping applications, e.g. https://joshi-bharat.github.io/projects/gopro/ Are there any competitors on the market that also have this feature? I've looked around a few times in the past and haven't found any.…

Both Insta360 and DJI cameras save IMU / magnetometer data to their video files.

Thanks!

Re: Is this the end of the once-mighty GoPro?

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Post by gnabgib »

microtonal wrote: post #574
gnabgib wrote: post #459

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Err.. my 2yo Fenix 7 Solar definitely lasts 3-4 weeks. Not AMOLED (because.. that's why), but MiP. In summer.. it can last >month. Pulse on, GPS is generally only on in solar. Screen is never off. I can obviously make it a worse UX/last longer, but I'm not sure I see the need.. even when I'm back country.

I wish my 7 Solar had battery times like that. It's possibly because I frequently use mapping on longer bikes.

In retrospect, the difference between the batteries on 42mm/47mm/51mm are probably relevant (I'm using the X/51mm). Longer rides is my highest usage :D Next you're in Canada, let's ride (mine's an FSR)

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Post by Robotbeat »

ajsnigrutin wrote: post #423
Robotbeat wrote: post #89

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GoPro is a US company designed in U.S. with manufacturing in Thailand, China, and Mexico. Insta360 is a Chinese company designed in Shenzhen and built there, too. People think this doesn’t matter, but GoPros are used all over in aerospace. If we replaced the brand with Insta360, that puts a big attack vector all over the place. A similar pattern happened with drones with DJI, intentionally killing all non-Chinese dro…

For us living in "the rest of the world", we only have a choice of being spied on by chinese or american companies, and american ones can do a lot more damage to us than chinese. So if we're getting spied on anyway, why not buy a better product?

So long as you don’t live in India, Taiwan, Australia, Japan, South Korea… or maybe even the countries Russia their ally is antagonistic with, like Ukraine, Turkey, all of Europe.
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