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Re: I burned all my tokens researching how to save tokens

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Post by kittoes »

inigyou wrote: post #128
kittoes wrote: post #109

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Did you actually try to read what I wrote, or are you just stopping at the very first thing you can parse? I'm engaging in good faith with you here, it would be nice if you even remotely attempted to do the same. You can literally walk around in a world, pick up an in-world device, turn it on, and watch/hear the device play an actual ROM. Furthermore, you could edit that ROM while you're playing it. Recursion and det…

A render graph is also nothing new, and neither is screen capture.

The most wonderful feature of the project is that there are almost zero new ideas contained within. I'm standing on the shoulders of many giants, proudly.

https://github.com/ByteTerrace/WorldOfWarcraft.Addons.GamePa...

This is an addon that I wrote for WoW, well before having access to any sort of AI, that blatantly copies the crossbar layout popularized in FFXIV. Playing an MMO with a controller in that game was a mind-blowing experience for me because I never imagined it could work! So, I spent a winter break reimplementing the entire thing in my own unique way.

https://github.com/ByteTerrace/Puck/blob/main/src/Puck.Overl...

This is a generalization/simplification of that idea. New? No. Unique? Definitely.

Re: I burned all my tokens researching how to save tokens

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Post by xyzsparetimexyz »

inigyou wrote: post #126
xyzsparetimexyz wrote: post #117

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Currently. I'm sure that you could make a system where the cache values are a superset C of e.g. models A and B where C is probably bigger than max(A,B) but smaller than A+B

It's equal to A+B. There is literally no sharing possible.

Even when training both models together in a novel way?

Re: I burned all my tokens researching how to save tokens

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Post by [deleted] »

fragmede wrote: post #44
oggreen wrote: post #16

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The reality however is that unless you're spending tens of thousands on hardware or setting up cloud instances you can't run anything near close to state of the art. In almost all cases right now, a subscription with a cloud AI wins.

> In almost all cases right now, What sort of benchmark or test would convince you that "almost all" is more like "your weird set of cases" and nowhere near "almost all"?

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Re: I burned all my tokens researching how to save tokens

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Post by shepherdjerred »

dofm wrote: post #112
shepherdjerred wrote: post #102

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Most people still prefer products over building their own thing, even if the barrier is lower. As an example consumer 3D printing hasn’t had much impact on manufacturing

This is a bit of a year-of-linux-on-the-desktop question. Desktop 3D printers are tools; I know many people using them to support their making. And they've utterly changed manufacturing on another level (simply because of their ability to surface a prototype). It will get better and better and better and still never replace mass production, but mass production will be changed by it. Not least because of the fundament…

Sorry I am not saying that X technology is not important, transformative, etc.

I am saying that the average person is going to want to just have things that work. They are not going to want to have a hobby of using X technology.

It doesn't matter how much you lower the barrier to entry on making apps, websites, games, whatever. Most people are just going to want something that is ready and off-the-shelf.

I mean, why do people pick an iPhone over a cheaper Android even if they are functionally similar? Aside from the (valid) green-bubble/social aspect, it's a much more polished product.

Re: I burned all my tokens researching how to save tokens

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Post by resonious »

dominotw wrote: post #30
resonious wrote: post #20

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Trust me there are plenty of us using cloud AI to actually ship stuff. We just aren't writing blog posts about it.

what did you ship?

Just features for the client. The same stuff I was shipping before but much faster and more stable.

Re: I burned all my tokens researching how to save tokens

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Post by [deleted] »

dofm wrote: post #12

It sometimes feels to me that cloud AI providers have convinced people that cloud AI is worth it because of all the ways people have been able to use cloud AI to write blog posts about using cloud AI to make cloud AI more efficient for something that they haven't shipped yet and aren't really ready to talk about.

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Re: I burned all my tokens researching how to save tokens

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Post by dandellion »

kittoes wrote: post #97
inigyou wrote: post #93

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Wait so someone asked for something you made with AI that wasn't slop, and then you linked to something you knew was slop, and you said "I think this counts as something that isn't mere slop" and then when called out on it you admit you knew it was slop the whole time? This is a frequent pattern among AI users. What causes it?

The README is, the project absolutely isn't and you don't have to take my word for it. I figure I'm speaking to a technically advanced audience who is perfectly capable of pulling down the repository if they're at all curious. I also provided a non-slop link elsewhere in the thread if that's more your bag. If not, oh well...

Why would anyone pull it? When I want slop I just ask the AI to generate some exactly the way I like it.

Re: I burned all my tokens researching how to save tokens

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Post by kittoes »

dandellion wrote: post #137
kittoes wrote: post #97

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The README is, the project absolutely isn't and you don't have to take my word for it. I figure I'm speaking to a technically advanced audience who is perfectly capable of pulling down the repository if they're at all curious. I also provided a non-slop link elsewhere in the thread if that's more your bag. If not, oh well...

Why would anyone pull it? When I want slop I just ask the AI to generate some exactly the way I like it.

I get the skepticism, I really do, but my hope is that your own AI(s) confirm exactly what I'm claiming within these comments. Like I've told others, there's no need to take my word for it... the entire point of the project is that anyone can execute/prove the same things I claim using their own hardware via a Doom-replay type format. If I was one of those influencer types, then I would've simply led with "it's an agentic first engine!!! how amazeballz is this?!" or some other nonsense. On the extremely off chance that I'm actually working on some sort of ridiculous ARG, consider this post a canonical part of it.

Re: I burned all my tokens researching how to save tokens

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Post by Forgeties79 »

speedster217 wrote: post #37
Forgeties79 wrote: post #35

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This just feels like a bad faith comment designed to spike the conversation entirely.

Agreed. AI has been "just trust me bro" for so long. People need to show receipts instead of spreading vague hype

Especially given the wildly unsustainable rate of investment.
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