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NYC may require landlords and realtors to disclose the use of AI in listings

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Post by SoftTalker »

Gigachad wrote: post #147
SoftTalker wrote: post #93

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At some point I hope we as a society stop trusting anything we see online. It's fake, slop, generated bullshit in most cases and only getting worse.

Or we could have our politicians and laws actually work for us. You should straight up be able to collect a bounty if you visit a property inspection and show the online photos are fake.

Well we've also decided we don't like enforcing the law. So we've got the worst outcome, theft, fraud, and general lawlessness everywhere and nobody willing to do anything about it.

And in this case, no I don't think a footnote "some photos may contain AI enhancements" at the bottom of the page in a low-contrast color is helpful.

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Post by runako »

qurren wrote: post #205
idiotsecant wrote: post #199

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Relax. This post is wildly aggressive for no reason.

I'm just tired of regulators realizing the right things to regulate but not implementing them correctly. Job postings must include a salary range? Who the fuck thought of that? Did they even ask a mathematician whether providing the min() and max() would be useful rather than mean(), median(), and std(), which is what the law really should require?

Caveat: I am pro more transparency in compensation data. But it's hard to do right.

> mean(), median(), and std()

play this out a bit, and you'll quickly realize that there are infinite ways to game this. Something like levels.fyi only works because levels are a thing, and they are consistent across a relative handful of companies (most tech workers do not work at those companies).

And even levels.fyi won't publish salary data until there are enough data points at a company to prevent such publication from inadvertently publishing how much an individual person makes. This makes it less useful for (say) a senior looking for a job at a non-tech or small firm.

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Post by runako »

qurren wrote: post #266
sokoloff wrote: post #243

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How many people who are considering hiring their first few employees have an idea of what the minimum they’d likely pay and the maximum they’d likely pay for those new positions? Almost all. Now how many could even tell you the rough definition of standard deviation, let alone be able to give a value for it? Almost none. As an applicant for a single opening, it’s not obvious that standard deviation is helpful either.…

> As an applicant for a single opening You're nitpicking at details. I'm sure you're smart enough to figure out how to write it so that this isn't an issue, but it seems you're more interested in "taking the other side" rather than thinking together about how to increase job compensation transparency. Here's the problem with minimums: Companies posting ranges of $100K-$900K. Yes, I've seen them. Here's a hint for eve…

> Companies posting ranges of $100K-$900K.

Yes, this is extremely Netflix. The "fix" for this is to mandate that they can no longer post an ad for engineers, but rather they have to post separate ads for each engineering role. Maybe this is better, maybe not. If a person applies to L4, are they allowed to be hired at L3 pay? Will that confuse people?

> For small companies and single openings

levels.fyi chooses not to publish some comp datapoints because there's too little data, which means publishing the data is tantamount to publishing an individual's compensation.

I hear you on the goal, but the details are tough.

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Post by JoshTriplett »

hirsin wrote: post #172
JoshTriplett wrote: post #171

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The normal definition of square footage I've seen typically includes hallways and stairs. (Though often not garages.) Personally, I wish we would normalize including exact floor plans with measurements.

They mean the apartment building hallways and elevators. As in, if you summed the square footage of all the apartments on a floor, you'd get a number greater than the actual dimensions of the floor, because the common areas are counted multiple times.

Oh, I see. Yeah, that's false advertising. "Square footage" of a dwelling should only include your own private space, not any common areas.

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Post by pandaman »

moron4hire wrote: post #163
sidewndr46 wrote: post #150

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I'm pretty sure if they stopped skirting the laws, it'd eliminate a decent cohort of their customer base. Watching someone come through a pedestrian area at 45 mph on a "bicycle" that clearly is an electric motorcycle is pretty interesting.

Holy crap! How do they stop at that speed with those thin bicycle tires?

Very slowly. Stopping is not as a big of an issue as cornering though - not only they don't have adequate traction for the speed and mass but they also don't use the front brake. Which is great as the trails which are fun to ride because of all the bends are also e-bike free other than old people riding their pedal-assist bikes at 15 mph.

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Post by jfrbfbreudh »

filoleg wrote: post #261
jfrbfbreudh wrote: post #173

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I didn’t know the square footage of my apartment until I had built an app that utilizes LiDAR to actually measure it. Broker told me 650 square feet - it’s precisely 505 square feet. (Won’t advertise my app, but you can find many on the iOS App Store). Would be nice for StreetEasy to have some kind of third party verification about apartment size claims.

If you are hesitant to mention it in the comments, please consider at least putting it in your profile bio. This sounds like a genuinely useful tool that I would personally want to use myself.

Done. Enjoy!

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Post by bjackman »

nubg wrote: post #56
bjackman wrote: post #27

Requiring disclosure seems obvious. Using AI for these pics is also not inherently deceptive though. I live in an extremely overheated housing market where properties are usually sold/rented long before they actually get completed. I'm fine with landlords using AI in their renders to make claims about how the place will eventually look. You also see people using AI to put furniture into the image (I assume they are a…

Why not just put the floor plan with no photos then, or just photos of an empty room with white walls? I can imagine myself how a room _could_ look, what added value does your imagined version add?

Coz you want to know what flooring, doors, cupboards, bath, sinks, railings, windows, etc they are putting in.

I went to view a flat this week, it was a building site. That's still the most important bit coz you get a feel for the size and shape of the space which is what really matters. But I'm glad to have the AI renders too.

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Post by kennywinker »

sidewndr46 wrote: post #260
kennywinker wrote: post #158

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What do you call a reverse slippery-slope argument? “All images are edited, therefore ai editing is ok.” Degrees of alteration matter, pretending ai images are the same as color retouching is dumb.

I guess for me, the question is how do you define each degree? If I say something like "Gemini, make the colors pop in my photos!" is that OK?

Idk, what happens when you do that? Does it apply traditional color filters and tweaks, or does it process the photo thru generative ai potentially altering it in ways beyond what you intended?

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Post by tstenner »

9dev wrote: post #203
cr1895 wrote: post #195

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Wild. In Netherlands (and I assume other European countries as well) there’s a regulatory norm for how spaces should be measured - what counts as liveable, non-liveable, etc. It’s so much fairer and clearer for everyone involved. https://www.nen.nl/bouw/beheer-en-onderhoud/oppervlaktebepal...

Right? Germany too. I wouldn’t even have thought this could be a problem…

Until you measure the apartment later and find out that a) it's much smaller and b) it doesn't matter because you rent the apartment as seen, not as advertised.
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