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Moonshot AI suspends new subscriptions due to Kimi K3 demand

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Re: Moonshot AI suspends new subscriptions due to Kimi K3 demand

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Personal anecdote: I exhausted my Claude usage yesterday so I decided to spend 20$ to try Kimi while I was at it. Logged in, paid, downloaded Kimi Code, set it to use K3 and prompted something along the lines of: "Check this repository and find all the settings that can be passed as input related to hardware, I/O, thread control or networking. Produce a report". It thought for about 12 minutes and then told me I had…

Codex works for this, it'll continue thinking and will answer the prompt even if your limit is reached.

Re: Moonshot AI suspends new subscriptions due to Kimi K3 demand

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Ive been pleasantly surprised with the quality of this model. Its really good at code review and PR review. But right now due to them being so overloaded + this being a big model, its SO slow. It takes forever to do a relatively simple code review.

Try the OpenRouter route!

https://openrouter.ai/moonshotai/kimi-k3

Re: Moonshot AI suspends new subscriptions due to Kimi K3 demand

#33

I think the Kimi thing is super cool, especially that they have so many RNN/linear attention layers (3x more than they have full attention). I haven't yet tried it though. It seems like it would be extremely reasonable for long context tasks and I guess this fits the times. I suspect that the reason it has so many parameters is the same reason that compute optimal xLSTMs have some many parameters, and the success of…

I talked with Hochreiter about 1.5y ago they should go for it and properly scale xLSTM to LLMs, not just playing around with few B params for experiments. They felt like they are too late to the game to get investment and traction. So much for European ambitions I guess...

Yes, but how would it have been if the EU governments just piled on, subsidized whoever had reasonable qualifications who wanted to try, straight-up funded accelerator development so that the chips don't just become investment in US AI companies, straight up built the supercomputers for training, straight up offered access to groups that had previously had reasonable success in training some model.

I don't think it would even be that expensive. I think with EU chips we could do it for 20 billion EUR + 5 billion EUR per year. After all, an H200 doesn't cost 40k to manufacture, probably one-tenth, and if we are making the chips we can get the money circulating just as the Americans have.

Add in some state effort to create suitable training data-- maybe encourage academics to create some things that are AI-friendly, and let all the people trying have that. There would hardly be anyone in the game other than us if we went for this package.

We already have VSORA. Maybe Euclyd is ready soon too. If enough are ordered we have 85% of the inference need gone, so that whatever accelerators are freed can be repurposed for supercomputing and training? Maybe we could have some organized effort to make many of the VSORA and Euclyd chips so that the chips we need for training are freed up while we wait for our own training chips.

Edit: So in the end I think the thing we need to do is to order enough VSORA Jotunn8 cards and enough Euclyd cards that we flood the inference market so much that the price of H200eds etc. drops and we can buy them second hand and assemble huge supercomputers out of them. This may require some diplomatic effort from the commission, something like 20B EUR almost immediately and some coordination, but it's easy, it's doable and it requires only being a little bit decisive. Since these cards are faster less memory will be tied up in serving the models, so it'd have a positive effect on memory prices too, which in turn would have a positive effect on European supercomputer centers, who are currently of course constrained by high memory prices.

Re: Moonshot AI suspends new subscriptions due to Kimi K3 demand

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I had the _exact_ same problem. Got the 20 USD/month subscription from Kimi.com (paid annually), exhausted my 5-hour quota with a simple prompt on OpenCode + Kimi K2.7 through their API. Cursor got the same prompt done in minutes. According to their web interface, I'm also on 23% of my weekly usage. That feels crazy, as I do a lot more than that on the 20 USD Cursor plan, and never got even a warning. I thought OpenC…

Moonshot AI has two subscriptions archetypes and the one they link to from their main page is the subscription for the web interface/research/agents/OpenClaw (that they host for you) There is a small link below the tiles for these plans saying something "looking to use it for code? Use Kimi code" and upon clicking you'll get a basically identically looking subscription page with different sub prices and more quota No…

Thank you so much. I was about to ask you for links, since they have multiple domains that look similar (kimi.ai, kimi.com, moonshot.ai, etc.). I wasn't sure which one was the legit one, or if they all are.

The plan I got is called "Moderato", which somehow isn't any of those 8... I'll try to read more about it.

Re: Moonshot AI suspends new subscriptions due to Kimi K3 demand

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> a company that prioritizes their current customers and focus on keeping them satisfied instead of just focusing on fast growth. I always hated how the "Login" button is smaller on every website than the "Sign Up" button.

> I always hated how the "Login" button is smaller on every website than the "Sign Up" button. I always assumed that was because it's the least common flow. Once you've signed up, you're logged in, so the only time you should ever need the "login" button is on a new computer, or after logging out to switch accounts, or if the service offers a "remember me" checkbox (don't do that) and doesn't check it by default ( de…

I love clearing cookies.

Re: Moonshot AI suspends new subscriptions due to Kimi K3 demand

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I wonder if anthropic and openai will remain relevant simply due to the fact that they're the only ones that are able to handle this much demand for the forseeable future? My bet would be that companies would probably not be too happy with employee time being wasted on outages and other related issues when it already costs so much.

A lot of OpenAI/Anthropic compute actually belongs to the hyperscalers. They have long term contracts and will be able to charge some kind of margin for access to the compute they've secured. However I don't think this would last long as the hyperscalers will be able to undercut them.

Re: Moonshot AI suspends new subscriptions due to Kimi K3 demand

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> a company that prioritizes their current customers and focus on keeping them satisfied instead of just focusing on fast growth. I always hated how the "Login" button is smaller on every website than the "Sign Up" button.

> I always hated how the "Login" button is smaller on every website than the "Sign Up" button. I always assumed that was because it's the least common flow. Once you've signed up, you're logged in, so the only time you should ever need the "login" button is on a new computer, or after logging out to switch accounts, or if the service offers a "remember me" checkbox (don't do that) and doesn't check it by default ( de…

Your tokens should defiently have expiry times on the range that you would need to login again.

Re: Moonshot AI suspends new subscriptions due to Kimi K3 demand

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post #3

Ive been pleasantly surprised with the quality of this model. Its really good at code review and PR review. But right now due to them being so overloaded + this being a big model, its SO slow. It takes forever to do a relatively simple code review.

Try the OpenRouter route! https://openrouter.ai/moonshotai/kimi-k3

Currently this is still just going to Moonshot, since they didn't release the weights yet (scheduled for 27th).

Re: Moonshot AI suspends new subscriptions due to Kimi K3 demand

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Try the OpenRouter route! https://openrouter.ai/moonshotai/kimi-k3

Currently this is still just going to Moonshot, since they didn't release the weights yet (scheduled for 27th).

Oh, okay. Didn't know that, as I haven't tried K3 myself -- I'm quite content with Kimi K2.7-Code for the moment, which OpenRouter serves me to via US-based inference providers. Supposedly.

Obviously, not relevant if your reason for being here is to ferret out the excitement about K3 specifically. But if this is your first time trying Kimi, try K2.6 or K2.7! If my experience is any indication, you'll be blown away by those, too.

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