The biggest change is that the left have become the conservatives
Data center opponents stage 142 protests across 42 US states
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Re: Data center opponents stage 142 protests across 42 US states
#12The biggest change is that the left have become the conservatives
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Re: Data center opponents stage 142 protests across 42 US states
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It is completely organic and it is not new at all. Every step change in technology involved people like this (though this one is a bit unique in size). This type of thinking: "slowing down", "being in harmony with nature", "be content with what you have" is the default mode of thinking for most rich/educated people. (Note: this type of thinking comes at the upper echelons of Maslow's needs - impoverished third worlde…
>> The suggestion that this is a CCP play shows a lack of theory of mind. As if destruction / denigration of US AI / cloud / IT infrastructure wouldn't massively benefit the CCP. Surely there's no correlation there at all, just means, motive, and opportunity, but I'm sure it's nothing.
other side:
what benefit does an AI datacenter bring to a community?
why wouldn't people complain?
on that note, if LLMs dissappeared tomorrow, what would be the loss for common folk?
Solution seems simple, build them away from communities, arrange for sustainable power generation and water use, problem is that eats into datacenter profits...
Re: Data center opponents stage 142 protests across 42 US states
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People are perfectly content to accept pollution if it provides actual jobs not just money for tech bro douchebags living on a yacht in Tahiti. Instead of buying politicians if you want to build a datacenter start sponsoring the local high school gymnastics club. And for fuck sake never talk about how much you hate society and want to put people out of a job. Silicon Valley is so terrible at PR. They could learn a th…
> People are perfectly content to accept pollution if it provides actual jobs not just money for tech bro douchebags living on a yacht in Tahiti. > And for fuck sake never talk about how much you hate society and want to put people out of a job. Let's say for the sake of argument, AI eliminates most jobs. In that case, the government will need to replace income tax. Will the American government have an easier time ta…
> Will the American government have an easier time taxing the physical datacenter in the United States or the billionaire that owns it in Tahiti?
The datacenters already get long term tax deductions, probably easier to tax the billionaire's assets with a wealth tax on stock market assets...
Re: Data center opponents stage 142 protests across 42 US states
#15The biggest change is that the left have become the conservatives
Guess who organized these protests?
Re: Data center opponents stage 142 protests across 42 US states
#16The biggest change is that the left have become the conservatives
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"Neo-luddite" is thrown around by people who don't actually know history and just eat up terminology that was spoonfed to them for a purpose. FYI, the luddite movement wasn't some stupid movement against technology for the sake of being against technology like the eventual term evolved into. Historically, they were skilled artisans who were protesting exploitative working conditions and practices that came about as a result of automation. When some of them started destroying machines, the British government subsequently made it a capital crime to do machine-breaking and violently suppressed these protests and controlled the narrative that the reason luddites were breaking machines was because they were ignorant people who hated progress.
Not ironically, you're eating up the same propaganda brought to you by the likes of Thiel and co. that the people protesting legitimate grievances just simply "hate technology".
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"Neo-luddite" is thrown around by people who don't actually know history and just eat up terminology that was spoonfed to them for a purpose. FYI, the luddite movement wasn't some stupid movement against technology for the sake of being against technology like the eventual term evolved into. Historically, they were skilled artisans who were protesting exploitative working conditions and practices that came about as a…
Interesting, do you think the current form of anti technology ideology is different from Luddism? In what way?
Do you mean to say that the current protests are actually against technology for the sake of being against technology?
Also, I don't say that they are against technology for technology's sake, but the real actual reason they are against technology is because they are fundamentally conservative. They act in their own self interest as normal people do and try to conserve their status, employment and lifestyle. Technology tends to act against it - naturally they oppose it.
Re: Data center opponents stage 142 protests across 42 US states
#18Totally organic.
It is completely organic and it is not new at all. Every step change in technology involved people like this (though this one is a bit unique in size). This type of thinking: "slowing down", "being in harmony with nature", "be content with what you have" is the default mode of thinking for most rich/educated people. (Note: this type of thinking comes at the upper echelons of Maslow's needs - impoverished third worlde…
I haven't heard neither "being in harmony with nature", "be content with what you have", you are literally making them up.
But more importantly, it is not true that every step was like this. In my lifetime, AI is uniquely disliked and it is really its own fault. No other technology was booed in speeches, no other had equivalents of tokenmaxxing and top down push, no other promised dystopia and doom and gloom as selling strategy.
Re: Data center opponents stage 142 protests across 42 US states
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People are perfectly content to accept pollution if it provides actual jobs not just money for tech bro douchebags living on a yacht in Tahiti. Instead of buying politicians if you want to build a datacenter start sponsoring the local high school gymnastics club. And for fuck sake never talk about how much you hate society and want to put people out of a job. Silicon Valley is so terrible at PR. They could learn a th…
> People are perfectly content to accept pollution if it provides actual jobs not just money for tech bro douchebags living on a yacht in Tahiti. > And for fuck sake never talk about how much you hate society and want to put people out of a job. Let's say for the sake of argument, AI eliminates most jobs. In that case, the government will need to replace income tax. Will the American government have an easier time ta…
> Let's say for the sake of argument, AI eliminates most jobs. In that case, the government will need to replace income tax.
In this case, these people have no future and no hope. Their kids have no future. Rejecting the AI datacenter that is causing that and in addition polluting is just logical consequence. In this alternative future, poor people will get nothing from government. Rich CEOS will see them as leeches, they will have no electoral power and the taxes will be used only to survey and harm them.
Considering rich CEOs fight tooth and nail against any taxation and pay minimal taxes on their companies, if they get their way, neither will pay taxes.
> And will the American government have any ability to tax a datacenter built in Dubai because there was too much bureaucracy in Virginia?
Well, government thoughtfully killed any chance of stability in Dubai, so you probably dont want data center there anyway. Drones and missies, you know. But, again, since it dont pay taxes and presumably will move away if it is forced to pay them, who cares.
Re: Data center opponents stage 142 protests across 42 US states
#20Earlier quoted context omitted.
It is completely organic and it is not new at all. Every step change in technology involved people like this (though this one is a bit unique in size). This type of thinking: "slowing down", "being in harmony with nature", "be content with what you have" is the default mode of thinking for most rich/educated people. (Note: this type of thinking comes at the upper echelons of Maslow's needs - impoverished third worlde…
I haven't heard neither "being in harmony with nature", "be content with what you have", you are literally making them up. But more importantly, it is not true that every step was like this. In my lifetime, AI is uniquely disliked and it is really its own fault. No other technology was booed in speeches, no other had equivalents of tokenmaxxing and top down push, no other promised dystopia and doom and gloom as selli…
> No other technology was booed in speeches
NFTs, DRM, Linux at Microsoft conferences, Microsoft at Linux conferences, Google Glass, blockchain. Those have all been booed at some point. AI's not unique in that regard.