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Valve say there's no end in sight to the memory crisis, prices going to increase

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Re: Valve say there's no end in sight to the memory crisis, prices going to increase

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Post by dartharva »

ViktorRay wrote: post #2

The PlayStation 5 and Xbox Series consoles launched in Fall of 2020. That’s almost 6 years ago. The PlayStation 6 and the new Xbox should be launching soon. If not this fall then perhaps next fall when it will be 7 years from the launch of the current generation. How will the memory crisis impact all of this? Also I find it kind of ironic. In the 2010’s PC gamers would go online all the time and sneer about how conso…

The video games market currently has a lot more problems going on than just hardware scarcity. Just like how streaming has slopified and gutted Hollywood and cinema production in general [0], subscription-based business models and consumer-hostile delivery have done the same to video games. Gone are the days when studios used to focus on novelty and creativity, now it is all about engagement metrics and RoI slop.

[0] https://youtu.be/g6YvkbqAhAY

Re: Valve say there's no end in sight to the memory crisis, prices going to increase

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Post by musicale »

weezing wrote: post #17
ViktorRay wrote: post #2

The PlayStation 5 and Xbox Series consoles launched in Fall of 2020. That’s almost 6 years ago. The PlayStation 6 and the new Xbox should be launching soon. If not this fall then perhaps next fall when it will be 7 years from the launch of the current generation. How will the memory crisis impact all of this? Also I find it kind of ironic. In the 2010’s PC gamers would go online all the time and sneer about how conso…

This gotta be least memorable generation of all time. Nothing worth noting released on those consoles.

> Nothing worth noting released on those consoles

Have you heard of Elden Ring?

Or is your complaint about cross-gen, timed exclusives, and PC releases? Or that there aren't enough new franchises beyond established series and remakes?

Personally I see all of the above as fine. For example Capcom has Resident Evil Requiem (series), Onimusha (remake), and Pragmata (new).

Re: Valve say there's no end in sight to the memory crisis, prices going to increase

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Post by rchaud »

TitaRusell wrote: post #19
adrian_b wrote: post #4

For USA, indeed there is no end in sight to the memory crisis, as long as its politicians work for companies like Micron, which obtains huge profits from the inflated memory prices. A few days ago, the representatives John Moolenaar (R-MI) and George Whitesides (D-CA) have urged the Trump administration to prevent the purchase by US companies of DRAM and flash memory made by the Chinese manufacturers, which are the o…

There will come a point were countries are forced to choose between China and the US. The choice may shock some Americans lol.

That's what the entire apparatus of sanctions and blockades are for - to make sure they don't make the wrong choice.

Re: Valve say there's no end in sight to the memory crisis, prices going to increase

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Post by musicale »

dartharva wrote: post #21
ViktorRay wrote: post #2

The PlayStation 5 and Xbox Series consoles launched in Fall of 2020. That’s almost 6 years ago. The PlayStation 6 and the new Xbox should be launching soon. If not this fall then perhaps next fall when it will be 7 years from the launch of the current generation. How will the memory crisis impact all of this? Also I find it kind of ironic. In the 2010’s PC gamers would go online all the time and sneer about how conso…

The video games market currently has a lot more problems going on than just hardware scarcity. Just like how streaming has slopified and gutted Hollywood and cinema production in general [0], subscription-based business models and consumer-hostile delivery have done the same to video games. Gone are the days when studios used to focus on novelty and creativity, now it is all about engagement metrics and RoI slop. [0]…

There are still lots of great games though.

Re: Valve say there's no end in sight to the memory crisis, prices going to increase

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Post by dartharva »

musicale wrote: post #24
dartharva wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The video games market currently has a lot more problems going on than just hardware scarcity. Just like how streaming has slopified and gutted Hollywood and cinema production in general [0], subscription-based business models and consumer-hostile delivery have done the same to video games. Gone are the days when studios used to focus on novelty and creativity, now it is all about engagement metrics and RoI slop. [0]…

There are still lots of great games though.

Yes, but bar a few outliers they are not of interest to large publishers and producers.

Re: Valve say there's no end in sight to the memory crisis, prices going to increase

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Post by musicale »

dartharva wrote: post #25
musicale wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are still lots of great games though.

Yes, but bar a few outliers they are not of interest to large publishers and producers.

Large publishers (and studios) tend to go for large games and usually some combination of sure bets (series, remakes) with a smaller number of riskier bets (new properties). Fortunately there are tons of smaller producers and we have digital storefronts (Steam etc.)

Medium-sized publishers like Devolver, Annapurna, or Humble Games are an interesting middle ground.

Re: Valve say there's no end in sight to the memory crisis, prices going to increase

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Post by SapporoChris »

aurareturn wrote: post #6
ViktorRay wrote: post #2

The PlayStation 5 and Xbox Series consoles launched in Fall of 2020. That’s almost 6 years ago. The PlayStation 6 and the new Xbox should be launching soon. If not this fall then perhaps next fall when it will be 7 years from the launch of the current generation. How will the memory crisis impact all of this? Also I find it kind of ironic. In the 2010’s PC gamers would go online all the time and sneer about how conso…

Besides the AI shortage, Moore’s Law has ended which means in order to get faster chips, you have to use bigger dies, fancier packaging, more cooling, more power. This increases costs. A PS6 really doesn’t increase much over the PS5 even without the AI shortage. You’re probably getting doubled the performance at best, which barely makes a noticeable difference in gaming when PS1 to PS2 had 180x better GPU. I think th…

Your conclusion that "... in order to get faster chips, you have to use bigger dies, fancier packaging, more cooling, more power.", is really not supported by the ending of Moore's law.

Moore's law is the observation that the number of transistors in an integrated circuit (IC) doubles about every two years, with minimal increase in cost.

Re: Valve say there's no end in sight to the memory crisis, prices going to increase

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Post by weezing »

musicale wrote: post #22
weezing wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This gotta be least memorable generation of all time. Nothing worth noting released on those consoles.

> Nothing worth noting released on those consoles Have you heard of Elden Ring? Or is your complaint about cross-gen, timed exclusives, and PC releases? Or that there aren't enough new franchises beyond established series and remakes? Personally I see all of the above as fine. For example Capcom has Resident Evil Requiem (series), Onimusha (remake), and Pragmata (new).

All PC games. This generation of consoles was just worthless, no meaningful exclusives. The only thing that might save them is GTA VI.

Re: Valve say there's no end in sight to the memory crisis, prices going to increase

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Post by aurareturn »

SapporoChris wrote: post #28
aurareturn wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Besides the AI shortage, Moore’s Law has ended which means in order to get faster chips, you have to use bigger dies, fancier packaging, more cooling, more power. This increases costs. A PS6 really doesn’t increase much over the PS5 even without the AI shortage. You’re probably getting doubled the performance at best, which barely makes a noticeable difference in gaming when PS1 to PS2 had 180x better GPU. I think th…

Your conclusion that "... in order to get faster chips, you have to use bigger dies, fancier packaging, more cooling, more power.", is really not supported by the ending of Moore's law. Moore's law is the observation that the number of transistors in an integrated circuit (IC) doubles about every two years, with minimal increase in cost.

  Moore's law is the observation that the number of transistors in an integrated circuit (IC) doubles about every two years, with minimal increase in cost.
Exactly. That is no longer true.
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