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Moonshot AI suspends new subscriptions due to Kimi K3 demand

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Re: Moonshot AI suspends new subscriptions due to Kimi K3 demand

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The rate limits on the $20 plan go so fast that it's easy to use my weekly budget in only a couple days. I can't imagine also trying to use K3 on the plan. Back in January with K2.5 it felt like I could use it a lot more.

unfortunately that probably won't be solved anytime soon because the entire point is to make you blow through it all asap and buy more.

there's always a push to make the models smarter but everyone was (and still is) convinced that if we just throw more hardware at the problem and then just tell the ai to re-read its entire ''thought'' process several dozen times it'll somehow all work out and... yeah.

and it kinda works but they'll guzzle your funds very quickly now.

unless serious strides are made in efficency this problem's only gonna get worse and worse.

Re: Moonshot AI suspends new subscriptions due to Kimi K3 demand

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I wonder if anthropic and openai will remain relevant simply due to the fact that they're the only ones that are able to handle this much demand for the forseeable future? My bet would be that companies would probably not be too happy with employee time being wasted on outages and other related issues when it already costs so much.

Re: Moonshot AI suspends new subscriptions due to Kimi K3 demand

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I think the Kimi thing is super cool, especially that they have so many RNN/linear attention layers (3x more than they have full attention). I haven't yet tried it though. It seems like it would be extremely reasonable for long context tasks and I guess this fits the times.

I suspect that the reason it has so many parameters is the same reason that compute optimal xLSTMs have some many parameters, and the success of this model makes me a bit unhappy that we haven't gotten an xLSTM-style model of huge size developed in Europe.

Obviously these guys are very pragmatic, they're probably not committed to anything other than what works on their internal evaluations, so they still have ordinary attention layers in the model and so on, and one can't be guaranteed that the people who come up with a good model then do the engineering in an ideal way, but I still think the success of Kimi shows what could have been if we had enough big supercomputers for LLM training and made them available to the right people-- because this is basically Hochreiter's thing. It's RNNs, or well, mostly RNNs.

Re: Moonshot AI suspends new subscriptions due to Kimi K3 demand

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I've been using Kimi for coding tasks for close to six months now, and haven't looked back. I'll periodically try something on Claude to make sure I'm not missing anything, but I've been very happy.

I just do the OpenRouter thing. My use of LLMs is narrow enough that cost is a negligible consideration either way.

Re: Moonshot AI suspends new subscriptions due to Kimi K3 demand

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I think the Kimi thing is super cool, especially that they have so many RNN/linear attention layers (3x more than they have full attention). I haven't yet tried it though. It seems like it would be extremely reasonable for long context tasks and I guess this fits the times. I suspect that the reason it has so many parameters is the same reason that compute optimal xLSTMs have some many parameters, and the success of…

Wasn't one of the original intents of the transformer architecture to get rid of RNN because they cannot be parallelized? Not an expert, just read a few papers several years ago.
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