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Re: Minecraft: Java Edition now uses SDL3

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Post by LoganDark »

Grombobulous wrote: post #12
peesem wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

in this same release Minecraft removed exclusive fullscreen on MacOS, i wonder why they haven't done the same on Windows & Linux - maybe people still have uses for that stuff on those operating systems? in my experience exclusive fullscreen is Awful on MacOS

I consider this the fault of macOS. The way macOS handles full screen makes it a nonstarter as a gaming platform even if it had a huge gaming library. Still, I’ll admit that Minecraft full screen on Mac is even worse than almost all other games.

I highly doubt that macOS fullscreen has that much higher latency than Windows fullscreen. The latency is so fine that I play Windows games over a capture card using OBS as the monitor. (The Mac has a 120Hz display though.)

I like to play games like ARC Raiders using that setup. Works perfectly fine. Sure it sucks that I need Windows at all for it, but SteamOS isn't an option yet due to my 3090

Re: Minecraft: Java Edition now uses SDL3

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Post by pjmlp »

Velocifyer wrote: post #40
velcrovan wrote: post #14

Anyone got any advice for a techy dad with no (zero) Minecraft experience who wants to set up a Minecraft server for the family in 2026? Kids right now are playing on their iPads, and (sometimes) old macbooks/windows PCs.

Go to https://minecraft.wiki/w/Tutorial:Setting_up_a_Java_Edition_... for how to create a vanilla server for Minecraft Java edition (which is the best version, but is only on Windows and MacOS and Linux, unlike the significantly inferrior bedrock edition, which is way buggier but is avalible elsewhere). If you need more performance, install [fabric]( https://fabricmc.net/ ) and then install [lithium]( https://modrint…

And less capable as one is limited by the official extension points, instead of the anything goes with bytecode manipulation.

Re: Minecraft: Java Edition now uses SDL3

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Post by nvme0n1p1 »

dismalaf wrote: post #67
mort96 wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In case you missed it, the question was: > Is the rationale for switching away from GLFW documented anywhere? "Not that I know" is a perfectly good answer. Don't spew ChatGPT slop at me.

You're pleasant. Should I have just said no, RTFA? Which clearly doesn't state why. That better? Or say you can search yourself? As for ChatGPT slop, I've never used that particular LLM, but some are good for bypassing ads/SEO slop while searching the internet.

If he wanted AI slop, I'm sure he's capable of asking an AI himself. He asked a forum full of people because he wants a real answer from a knowledgeable person. If you didn't have anything to contribute, you could have just left it for someone else to reply.

Re: Minecraft: Java Edition now uses SDL3

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Post by pjmlp »

nekiwo wrote: post #3

osu (the rhythm game) also recently switched to SDL3, from SDL2, and it came with significant performance/latency improvements. SDL3 adoption is a bit slow it seems. Though, I'm surprised Minecraft used GLFW all this time. One notable thing is that switching to SDL3 eliminated lag from having Discord client open while playing osu. Pretty sure this was from their devlog on YouTube.

SDL3 changed several APIs, which doesn't help, especially if using it from binding libraries.

Re: Minecraft: Java Edition now uses SDL3

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Post by tialaramex »

AkBKukU wrote: post #28
velcrovan wrote: post #14

Anyone got any advice for a techy dad with no (zero) Minecraft experience who wants to set up a Minecraft server for the family in 2026? Kids right now are playing on their iPads, and (sometimes) old macbooks/windows PCs.

Minecraft comes in two flavors, Java and Bedrock. All of the mobile, console ports, and windows store versions are based on bedrock. Java is the one you download directly from the website. Bedrock isn't really about custom hosted servers, but there is a way. You can run a standard Java Minecraft server however you like, and then you can wrap it to also work with the Bedrock using Gyser[1] which will protocol translat…

Geyser sounds very interesting especially if you know some or all players wouldn't be willing or perhaps able to play Java Minecraft and so they have to run Bedrock, but some would play Java and they'd enjoy being together.

Java Minecraft is just a better toy, I'm not altogether sure it's a better game, depending on how you define game, but it's a better toy because it's so flexible. I assume Geyser can't magically donate much of that flexibility to a Bedrock client, but if the players can co-exist then that's a boon in itself.

Re: Minecraft: Java Edition now uses SDL3

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Post by kbolino »

mort96 wrote: post #38
nottorp wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> SDL3 has a whole software renderer Does this mean SDL3 has a built in 3d renderer or it's the modern meaning where anything is a serverless renderer or something like that?

SDL2 and SDL3 both have hardware accelerated 2D renderers, appropriately called SDL_Renderer. You can tell SDL to upload pixel buffers to GPU textures and tell SDL to draw those textures on the screen with various transformations and color effects. SDL3 added a way to tell SDL to render vertex-based geometry as well: https://wiki.libsdl.org/SDL3/SDL_RenderGeometry . Those vertexes can have 3D positions, so that count…

SDL_RenderGeometry(Raw) are only capable of 2D rendering and the vertexes do not even have a z-coordinate.

Genuine 3D support is available in SDL3 via the GPU types and functions: https://wiki.libsdl.org/SDL3/CategoryGPU

Re: Minecraft: Java Edition now uses SDL3

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Post by hedgehog »

velcrovan wrote: post #14

Anyone got any advice for a techy dad with no (zero) Minecraft experience who wants to set up a Minecraft server for the family in 2026? Kids right now are playing on their iPads, and (sometimes) old macbooks/windows PCs.

Luanti with Mineclonia plug-in works well if you are willing to move entirely to Mac/Windows/Linux clients. The whole stack is open source so it's easier to make changes etc if you want. No hacky binary patching of Java bytecode. Originally I was going to try Minecraft proper first since I'd already paid for that, but Microsoft doesn't honor old licenses and in the end the Luanti path probably works better.

https://content.luanti.org/packages/ryvnf/mineclonia/

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