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If You Build It, They Will Come

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Re: If You Build It, They Will Come

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DonHopkins wrote: post #157
DonHopkins wrote: post #148

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Speaking of IRCAM, does anybody know Joseph "jojo" Francis -- francis@ircam.fr? Scenes don't sprout like blueberry bushes -- or baobab trees with their roots in the sky. Someone does the legwork -- or the scene quietly dies while everyone assumes it was a natural feature of the landscape. Maintenance is fragile and underappreciated until it stops; you do it for the love of the game even when reciprocity is uneven; th…

Tim Pozar and Brewster Kahle CHM Interview by Marc Weber October 29 1996 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u2h2LHRFbNA Brewster said: But also the early stuff has got people's dreams. The early people that sort of say -- you know, the early people on the web, like you, doing your dinosaur exhibit. You've got this ability to be able to do something new and different. But at some point, people will just say, "oh, well, y…

Been thinking a lot about concept and word hijacking/cancellation, lately. Dasher is a good example. Ever notice how this happens? It is one of my concerns about agentic AI.

I haven't thought about Motif in ages, either, incidentally. Another tricky word, of course.

Re: If You Build It, They Will Come

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Post by inigyou »

rightbyte wrote: post #150
appplication wrote: post #66

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What you’re describing is essentially the concept of civic duty and, at least in America, it’s unfortunately become deconstructed and politicized to the point where it’s impossible to exist as a meaningful cultural phenomenon. It also relies on people putting effort towards often intangible, uncapitalized, and unextractable shared value. So perhaps it makes sense that this is being diminished over time, as the grip o…

> politicization of literally everything The status quo is in favour of the owning class. Things in a macro sense can't be not political.

And, when things are viewed as not political, that in itself is a political view, and usually a very bad one.

Re: If You Build It, They Will Come

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Post by inigyou »

necovek wrote: post #144
xyzelement wrote: post #32

// Lots of people have a sort of consumer attitude towards their communities, where they take everything for granted. I saw things this way when I was young. A social scene is an automatic feature of the world that appears on its own, like a wild blueberry bush. It starts sprouting parties and dinners and conferences and reading groups as naturally as the bush sprouts berries True in general. As a kid you think of th…

A transit system has a different cost and is actually paid for by majority of users: the fact that few abuse it is not going to break it (as long as we keep it immoral to do so — note that there may be valid reasons to do it, when someone is in some sort of urgency and eg. ticketing machine is overcrowded or broken: it's not on us to judge even if we might be right 99% of the time). Here, we are talking about things…

This is, to some extent, precisely what happened to most of the internet. Things run for passion withered away; things run for profit remained. New people grew up surrounded by only for-profit things, and believed that was just the way things were supposed to work. They've never seen a personal website.

When I was 5 or 6 my dad helped me make a web page about the Star Wars movie I just saw and didn't really understand but I thought the pod racers were cool. Apparently our ISP came with a little bit of web space. That doesn't happen any more. You don't even get Usenet.

Re: If You Build It, They Will Come

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Post by inigyou »

BobbyTables2 wrote: post #130
colinsane wrote: post #112

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i hadn't considered that Seattle might be an outlier; the numbers vary by city more than i knew. https://www.soundtransit.org/sites/default/files/documents/2... page 11 has the $ figures. "link" is the commuter rail system: $408M operating expenses but only $51M revenue from fares, i.e. fares cover 12% of op ex. the "average fare per boarding" is $1.34 (page 3; this is ticket price multiplied by the proportion of tri…

There are probably some savings in externalities not accounted for as well. Seems to me mass transit could reduce road maintenance costs, parking infrastructure, and such. Not to mention reduction in pollution and increase in desirability. Unfortunately, it’s difficult to “capture” those savings explicitly. So it ends up looking like a taxpayer funded charity program…

I can't remember what the paradox is called but it has a name - in any big city, public transit sets the speed of car traffic. Cars always go at the same speed as public transit, door-to-door. If you want to eliminate traffic jams, improve the metro.

Re: If You Build It, They Will Come

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Post by inigyou »

pclowes wrote: post #98
greekrich92 wrote: post #96

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The subway should be free, and continuous fare hikes when you're already double paying with your eyes because of all the advertising they shove in front of you is more incentive to turnstile jump. Overpaid do-nothing senior adminstrators and lawmakers who are in the pocket of privatization are the problem, not that 17 year old.

Enforcing fares massively decreases vandalism, and antisocial behavior on public transportation. If you don’t have public transportation that I feel safe having a 10-year-old ride on unaccompanied by an adult then you do not have public transportation. You have a very expensive drug addict shelter on wheels/rails.

They aren't enforced in Berlin and the worst vandalism is graffiti on the side of some trains (which, let's be real, who cares and it adds some variety).

You know what I think helps? Treating people like grown-ups

Re: If You Build It, They Will Come

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Post by inigyou »

ButlerianJihad wrote: post #102
pclowes wrote: post #98

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Enforcing fares massively decreases vandalism, and antisocial behavior on public transportation. If you don’t have public transportation that I feel safe having a 10-year-old ride on unaccompanied by an adult then you do not have public transportation. You have a very expensive drug addict shelter on wheels/rails.

When I became homeless (again) about 26 years ago, the buses were a place of refuge and relaxation for me. I could easily pay the fare and stay on a long haul line. I'd be assured of safety and quietness for about 2 hours or so. The area clinics were participating in this, because they could procure "Reduced Fare" passes that they would distribute to mentally ill patients, and we could get unlimited transit rides all…

That's not really anything to do with fare evasion. That's a global systemic problem. That's the entire system being completely retarded, for political reasons ("look, we're solving homelessness")

Re: If You Build It, They Will Come

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Post by inigyou »

lazyasciiart wrote: post #110
ryandrake wrote: post #40

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This is a huge problem with many cases of “just do something.” The minute it looks like a money making opportunity, or something that can be arbitraged, someone will inevitably turn it into a business and scale it up and now it’s no longer That Cool Community Thing. It’s yet another extractive business.

Someone tried to organize a street fair near me, did public outreach for months, and a week before the date a business owner a block away from the street fair contacted the city with a fake list of all the local businesses who said they hadn’t even known about this and it would destroy them, and the city didn’t issue the final permit. No event. (The list was known to be faked because some of the business owners liste…

So how did your lawsuit go against him?

Re: If You Build It, They Will Come

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Post by inigyou »

watwut wrote: post #59
Exoristos wrote: post #39

America used to be awash with grassroots social institutions. I know an elderly gent who belonged to the Lions _and_ two similar organizations. When my mother was young, there were dances and dinners multiple nights a week. Which, for me, raises the question why weren't these things passed down? Why weren't the young a kind of apprentices to the old? That seems like the natural progression. But we see this generation…

There used to be a lot of disdain on HN against people who were "just partying". While the geeks stayed home, learned for school or job yadda yadda. People who socialize were always maligned here, their socializing was supposed reason why they earned less money. And that attitude is one part of the answer. Second is that home entertainment became easier and more fun, so people stay home watching movies, browsing inte…

You can party sometimes. If it's all you do, you might have a problem. Berlin is a cool place, eh? (I swear that techno is targeted at autistic people)
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