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Re: How would I get started?

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Post by rdl »

corford wrote: post #91
crazygringo wrote: post #62

I love this idea. Not as something to realistically help you get started, but purely educational. There's so much knowledge tied up exclusively among people "in the industry", that would be great to get out into the public. I would love to know all the things involved in starting an airline. How are planes actually bought? How are mechanics actually procured? What kind of safety regulations are followed? etc. I once…

I worked in the aviation industry for 6 years, so here's a 20 second "Airlines for Dummies" guide :) 1). To acquire aircraft you either buy directly from the manufacturer (Boeing, Airbus, Embraer etc.) or (much more commonly and especially if you only plan on operating a small fleet) you lease them from someone like Macquarie or, in some cases, from another airline who has spare capacity (known as wet and dry leasing…

There is plenty of profit in certain kinds of airlines -- cargo, certain kinds of business service (flight services to oil and gas, war zones, ...). I think there's money to be made in medical flights and maybe even pet flights (although I think the pet airline went under).

Passenger service in the US, sure, no profit there.

Re: How would I get started?

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Post by marcamillion »

patio11 wrote: post #98

Imagine, as a thought experiment, that HN declared a do-over and took another stab at answering the question. What, specifically , do you want in the new thread that was not present in the old thread, and what do you not want in the new thread that was present in the old thread? Some potential options: a) Keep all the facts. Remove conclusory statements which suggest that this is a bad idea. b) Remove the discouragin…

Not sure who in the heck downvoted this, but I proposed a simple solution for the community that would help us explore these types of topics on each post.

Called - "Proposal: HWIGS HN: How would I get started".

You can find it in the New section - http://news.ycombinator.com/newest

Edit 1: For whatever reason, this comment seems to be a battleground. Been upvoted & downvoted so many times. Guess this comment symbolizes the struggle for those of us interested in preserving the quality of the community we have come to love, and with those that just love to downvote willy nilly.

Re: How would I get started?

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Post by robryan »

crazygringo wrote: post #62

I love this idea. Not as something to realistically help you get started, but purely educational. There's so much knowledge tied up exclusively among people "in the industry", that would be great to get out into the public. I would love to know all the things involved in starting an airline. How are planes actually bought? How are mechanics actually procured? What kind of safety regulations are followed? etc. I once…

Yeah, I have always wondered about manufacturing. If I wanted to go out and manufacture a product of some sort, even something simple, where would I find the information on doing that.

There is a bit of a difference too between manufacturing base parts and assembly. There are a lot of shows on car manufacturing but they mostly are focusing on assembling mostly parts that have already been formed. I watched one on making little blow up balloons and was kind of amazed how much goes into it and even then they didn't really go too much into where the base components come from.

These days I guess with outsourcing a lot of businesses don't even know how their products are made.

Re: How would I get started?

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Post by xyzzy123 »

waterlesscloud wrote: post #39

And of course this thread fills up with more of the same negativism trying to justify itself. PG nailed it with the term "middlebrow dismissal". Which is a politer term than what I think when I come across it. I never think to myself "Wow, what a realistic, practical, well-informed comment that generic negative feedback was. My respect for that commenter has certainly increased!" Particularly when it's the 500th exam…

I think the response on HN was almost reasonable. It could be summarised as 1/3 useful, plus a 2/3 measure of "the fact you're asking us this implies you have no idea how hard this will be."

Yes, it might be discouraging. However, someone with the guts, resourcefulness and sheer chutzpah to start their own cable company is not going to let a few negative comments on the Internet get in their way.

Re: How would I get started?

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Post by robryan »

jasonkolb wrote: post #32

I upvoted this so hard. I agree there is a very large snarky dick contingent on HN who pollute potentially productive conversations with "What a stupid idea" type of comments. (Unfortunately I think this is a symptom of the human race, not just HN.) However, there are some exceptionally bright people who hang out here who I would love to just brainstorm with--throw ideas out and see what happens. This site has an abo…

I agree. To take the courier example, you may not be interested in actually starting a courier but in going through the thought process of how a courier operates you might find a problem that they have which you or others could solve.

In my dealing from couriers I get the impression a lot are using outdated software and inefficient processes, might be some disruption in that space.

Re: How would I get started?

#107

Post by [deleted] »

corford wrote: post #91
crazygringo wrote: post #62

I love this idea. Not as something to realistically help you get started, but purely educational. There's so much knowledge tied up exclusively among people "in the industry", that would be great to get out into the public. I would love to know all the things involved in starting an airline. How are planes actually bought? How are mechanics actually procured? What kind of safety regulations are followed? etc. I once…

I worked in the aviation industry for 6 years, so here's a 20 second "Airlines for Dummies" guide :) 1). To acquire aircraft you either buy directly from the manufacturer (Boeing, Airbus, Embraer etc.) or (much more commonly and especially if you only plan on operating a small fleet) you lease them from someone like Macquarie or, in some cases, from another airline who has spare capacity (known as wet and dry leasing…

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Re: How would I get started?

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Post by napoleond »

patio11 wrote: post #98

Imagine, as a thought experiment, that HN declared a do-over and took another stab at answering the question. What, specifically , do you want in the new thread that was not present in the old thread, and what do you not want in the new thread that was present in the old thread? Some potential options: a) Keep all the facts. Remove conclusory statements which suggest that this is a bad idea. b) Remove the discouragin…

Patrick, this is condescending. I doubt you meant for it to come across that way, but that's how I read it. Most of the posts in the original thread could have conveyed the exact same information in a less dismissive, discouraging, and sometimes even hostile tone--it would have made them more valuable to our community.

Re: How would I get started?

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Post by belbn »

marcamillion wrote: post #102
patio11 wrote: post #98

Imagine, as a thought experiment, that HN declared a do-over and took another stab at answering the question. What, specifically , do you want in the new thread that was not present in the old thread, and what do you not want in the new thread that was present in the old thread? Some potential options: a) Keep all the facts. Remove conclusory statements which suggest that this is a bad idea. b) Remove the discouragin…

Not sure who in the heck downvoted this, but I proposed a simple solution for the community that would help us explore these types of topics on each post. Called - "Proposal: HWIGS HN: How would I get started". You can find it in the New section - http://news.ycombinator.com/newest Edit 1: For whatever reason, this comment seems to be a battleground. Been upvoted & downvoted so many times. Guess this comment symboliz…

I was under the impression you aren't able to downvote on this site. In the same way this site is Reddit except the fact you can't react negatively to anything (downvote), we now need to do the same for comments.

You either upvote or you do nothing. You either comment positively or you don't comment. Excellent job patio.

Re: How would I get started?

#110

Post by nhebb »

irahul wrote: post #43
nhebb wrote: post #13

I didn't take part in the previous thread, but I kind of took umbrage with the question. It's really hard to take a question like that seriously when it appears that the OP has put zero effort into researching the subject. How can you not be pessimistic about that? If you're not the kind of person that can do even the most basic research of how cable companies operate, then I don't have one iota of confidence that yo…

> If you're not the kind of person that can do even the most basic research of how cable companies operate "Ask HN" doesn't qualify as most basic research?

> "Ask HN" doesn't qualify as most basic research?

I think it does in some cases, but not in a case of this magnitude. It's a matter of specificity.

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