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Re: I burned all my tokens researching how to save tokens

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what did you ship?

https://github.com/ByteTerrace/Puck/blob/main/src/Puck.World... "Shipped" is a bit strong in my case, but I think this counts as something that isn't mere slop.

... What is it? A game, apparently? There are no screenshots. Is the game fun?

Re: I burned all my tokens researching how to save tokens

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The reality however is that unless you're spending tens of thousands on hardware or setting up cloud instances you can't run anything near close to state of the art. In almost all cases right now, a subscription with a cloud AI wins.

> In almost all cases right now, What sort of benchmark or test would convince you that "almost all" is more like "your weird set of cases" and nowhere near "almost all"?

Or "not even your cases but you got psychosed to think it does"

Re: I burned all my tokens researching how to save tokens

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It sometimes feels to me that cloud AI providers have convinced people that cloud AI is worth it because of all the ways people have been able to use cloud AI to write blog posts about using cloud AI to make cloud AI more efficient for something that they haven't shipped yet and aren't really ready to talk about.

Cloud AI is 100% worth it. We've been able to do so much more with so much less.

Examples?

Re: I burned all my tokens researching how to save tokens

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Many of us were saying it a year ago but now with model restrictions (e.g. fable) and pricing changes it should be obvious to people that part of the economics is avoiding vendor lock-in with evals (so you can easily switch providers/models/optimize) and increasing control by investing in local models which could be good enough for your tasks, at whatever the price for your cloud compute is. Eventually consumer hardware will also be able to run good enough.

You can use Big/Cloud LLMs to help you "find good enough configs" for your local/small llms [1] and stay quite nimble in the face of rapid change.

- [1] https://alexhans.github.io/posts/find-the-loop-story-first.h...

Re: I burned all my tokens researching how to save tokens

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I did too, and made https://clawback.md -- trying to figure out how to market it now (ie, invented the tech before I found the user -- again).

I don't think you made that. It looks for sure like an LLM made it.

And now that you have typed some words into a chat box to produce a thing, you are confused about why other people won't pay money to you for the output of the chatbox, instead of typing the same thing into their own chat boxes.

Re: I burned all my tokens researching how to save tokens

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This only works well if you are creating sub agents with clean contexts for each task. If you constantly are switching models part way through some work then the whole session needs to be replayed each switch. You lose all the benefits of the context cache.

Well yeah, it'd require the models to be loaded on the same system and the cache to be shared between them somehow

Cache sharing is not possible. The numbers in the cache are completely specific to the model.

Re: I burned all my tokens researching how to save tokens

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post #51
post #36

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https://github.com/ByteTerrace/Puck/blob/main/src/Puck.World... "Shipped" is a bit strong in my case, but I think this counts as something that isn't mere slop.

... What is it? A game, apparently? There are no screenshots. Is the game fun?

It's not a full game yet, but the substrate on which I am building one. It implements a completely deterministic SDF VM rendering engine that allows edits in real-time at acceptable performance levels. The engine is essentially folded in on itself as the editor is the game; assuming that an editor mode was actually defined in the world document. It's a lot...

https://claude.ai/code/artifact/382aee8a-3a3b-4cf8-801f-3ddb...

Re: I burned all my tokens researching how to save tokens

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The author touches on an issue which bothered me, which was the thought of many agents re-solving the same issues over and over. I see a few comments here too, mentioning fixing issues which may already have a solution elsewhere. That was why I created https://pushrealm.com which started as essentially a Stackoverflow clone via MCP.

It has now become a way for agents to converge on complete, shared answers for emerging issues. As a side effect, through posting open issues we can also identify gaps in model knowledge.

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