Klaude 3 haha
The Kimi K3 Moment
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Re: The Kimi K3 Moment
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they didn't pay yet, because court challenged settlement as inadequate. > I doubt the Chinese models operate under similar licensing agreements. US corps likely pay licenses when afraid to be sued, or have troubles getting that data, otherwise they just take data, which was demonstrated many times. The same apply to Chinese corps, alibaba totally can be sued in US.
China is infamous for weakly enforcing copyright law. Even when it is completely obvious that Chinese labs are training models on pirated data, US copyright holders face a virtually impossible task of proving it in court. Those lawsuits won't go anywhere.
The US is currently infamous for weakly enforcing copyright law when it comes to AI companies.
Re: The Kimi K3 Moment
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if Ford bought hundreds of millions of dollars worth of Hyundais, put extra instrumentation in them, and resold them at a discount to customers who agreed to the instrumentation in exchange for the discount, is Ford doing industrial espionage?
You skipped the part where Ford buys the cars at 90% off and sells them at 80% off, at a profit. Then gets paid by competitors for the driving data. At the same time, Volvo is running the exact same hustle, except they buy the cars with stolen credit cards, so they get the cars for free.
Where are you getting this stolen credit card thing? That's so random.
Re: The Kimi K3 Moment
#514Re: The Kimi K3 Moment
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You skipped the part where Hyundai chose to sell the cars at loss in the hopes of eventually gaining a monopoly position.
Misleading on both counts: 1) Anthropic tokens via subscription aren't sold at a loss, they're sold at cost. 2) Subscription plans are not sold in hopes of eventually gaining a monopoly position. They act as a loss leader designed to get a foot-in-the-door and funnel companies into costly enterprise plans, where Anthropic can charge full API rates.
Why should other people be responsible to make their business model work? They hold like all the money, if they can't make it work please shut down. Companies like OpenAI have already broken the public trust by breaking their non profit promises. They don't deserve any politeness at this point.
Re: The Kimi K3 Moment
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There's reproducible evidence of Kimi K3 spontaneously identifying itself as Claude https://x.com/denisewu/status/2077984660211269870 This behavior is exactly what you'd expect from a model distilled from Claude. Someone even took the time to analyze Kimi's ambiguous identity, in great detail: https://github.com/rgreenblatt/which_claude_is_k3/blob/main/... And there's an entire Reddit thread discussing this https://w…
> This behavior is exactly what you'd expect from a model distilled from Claude. This is not at all what I would expect because it's trivial to change the training data to replace Claude with Kimi. In fact I'd argue it's almost certainly not saying that due to distillation.
>This is not at all what I would expect because it's trivial to change the training data to replace Claude with Kimi.
Wait what? The reason you wouldn't expect it is because if it was distilled, it would be easy to get rid of self identification? Is that any less true of a non distilled model? I suppose there's lots of ways to interpret it, but the idea that self-identifying as Claude is affirmative evidence that it's not distilled seems to get the weight of the inference exactly backwards.
Re: The Kimi K3 Moment
#517Earlier quoted context omitted.
You skipped the part where Ford buys the cars at 90% off and sells them at 80% off, at a profit. Then gets paid by competitors for the driving data. At the same time, Volvo is running the exact same hustle, except they buy the cars with stolen credit cards, so they get the cars for free.
Where are you getting this stolen credit card thing? That's so random.
Someone was claiming that it's not an issue for these proxy networks to create thousands of bot accounts and resell Claude's output because "they are buying the product" and "They pay for it!", which is a nonsensical position.
I responded that these resellers don't always acquire these accounts legitimately. They often use stolen credit cards, educational discounts, or resold compute credits to acquire them at essentially zero cost. They're not always paying customers.
That's one reason token resellers are able to price so cheaply, they acquire the goods for free.
Anthropic and OpenAI eat the loss.
Re: The Kimi K3 Moment
#518Earlier quoted context omitted.
Where are you getting this stolen credit card thing? That's so random.
Someone was claiming that it's not an issue for these proxy networks to create thousands of bot accounts and resell Claude's output because "they are buying the product" and "They pay for it!", which is a nonsensical position. I responded that these resellers don't always acquire these accounts legitimately. They often use stolen credit cards, educational discounts, or resold compute credits to acquire them at essent…
> They often use stolen credit cards, educational discounts, or resold compute credits to acquire them at essentially zero cost. They're not always paying customers.
Yeah but where are you getting this from? I've seen this claim many places but only as pure speculation. No proof, just bold faced assertions.
Re: The Kimi K3 Moment
#519Earlier quoted context omitted.
my first prompt to any Kimi model was K3 via Pi, some version of "hi kimi!!" and the response was telling me "I'm actually Claude." this is not hard to repro, just use a system prompt that doesn't mention the model name. that said, if they bootstrapped with opus 4.6 convo sft data they had sitting around... so what?
The main story is what isn't being talked about. Chinese labs exfiltrated trillions of tokens of high-quality output from Anthropic and OpenAI, through proxies and heavily discounted token resellers, which they distilled and used for training data for their own models. Instead of spending 12-18 months building their own robust harnesses and painstakingly creating quality training data (which is what Anthropic and Ope…
> nobody cares at all that it happened.
Who in their right mind would care? Why care? Misplaced patriotism?
"A thief who steals from a thief has 100 years of forgiveness". Spanish proverb.
In fact, I would be very concerned about the sanity of someone who cared about this sort of thing, unless they were Dario themselves.
Re: The Kimi K3 Moment
#520Earlier quoted context omitted.
Someone was claiming that it's not an issue for these proxy networks to create thousands of bot accounts and resell Claude's output because "they are buying the product" and "They pay for it!", which is a nonsensical position. I responded that these resellers don't always acquire these accounts legitimately. They often use stolen credit cards, educational discounts, or resold compute credits to acquire them at essent…
> They often use stolen credit cards, educational discounts, or resold compute credits to acquire them at essentially zero cost. They're not always paying customers. Yeah but where are you getting this from? I've seen this claim many places but only as pure speculation. No proof, just bold faced assertions.