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Re: Qwen 3.8

#101

Post by mschuster91 »

traceroute66 wrote: post #60
zapkyeskrill wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How does this explain open weights? They could easily take the same closed route like their American friends

> How does this explain open weights? They could easily take the same closed route like their American friends Because they are playing the Americans at their own game. What is the first thing an American company would do ? Spread the old American classic FUD ... "you can't used this closed tool because its run by the communists", right ? So you release it as open weights which is a win-win. Global adoption of the mo…

> So you release it as open weights which is a win-win. Global adoption of the model and you get to give the American AI companies a kick in the nuts because you know they will never release open weights apart from highly quantised crippled shit.

And on top of that, it's a perfect opportunity to include poisoned training data or excluding it. You know, omitting anything about Tiananmen Square, China's genocides against Uyghurs and Tibetans, or including texts propagandizing for the "reunification" (aka, annexation) of Taiwan.

And everyone who builds something like an interactive chatbot based on such "open weights" models now has a subtle chance of the answer being ideologically poisoned by the CCP.

We need actual open source, not "open weights" scam.

Re: Qwen 3.8

#102

Post by XCSme »

onlyrealcuzzo wrote: post #98
XCSme wrote: post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

DeepSeek V4 pricing is insane, 10x-30x cheaper to use than most other models, and it usually is good enough for most tasks.

Who do you buy DeepSeek from? I bought it through OpenRouter and used it with Pi agent. The model was good, but there appeared to be a pricing glitch or something, because it burned through $50 in under an hour on pretty trivial stuff. Pi agent claimed it only used like $1. OpenRouter claimed differently and said I used all $50.

I use it through OpenRouter via Kilo Code VS Code extension.

You can check the logs in OpenRouter and see which providers it used and how many tokens you used.

Re: Qwen 3.8

#103

Post by matusnovak »

onlyrealcuzzo wrote: post #98
XCSme wrote: post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

DeepSeek V4 pricing is insane, 10x-30x cheaper to use than most other models, and it usually is good enough for most tasks.

Who do you buy DeepSeek from? I bought it through OpenRouter and used it with Pi agent. The model was good, but there appeared to be a pricing glitch or something, because it burned through $50 in under an hour on pretty trivial stuff. Pi agent claimed it only used like $1. OpenRouter claimed differently and said I used all $50.

You can directly from https://platform.deepseek.com/

Re: Qwen 3.8

#104

Post by Alifatisk »

trvz wrote: post #89
lebovic wrote: post #2

I'm haven't found an announcement page, but there's a banner on the website announcing Qwen 3.8 and redirecting to this page. Looks like they're previewing the model only on their subscription plan.

It’s available in the iOS app (or was for me), both logged in and out.

Is there an iOS app for using Qwen?!

Re: Qwen 3.8

#105

Post by WhereIsTheTruth »

XCSme wrote: post #90
vitorgrs wrote: post #68

Deepseek 4 "final" version is imminent as well. Will probably be at Opus 4.8 level, and I find it pretty big deal because of Deepseek price...

DeepSeek V4 pricing is insane, 10x-30x cheaper to use than most other models, and it usually is good enough for most tasks.

It doesn't matter if it's cheaper, specially if it consumes more resources to do the same task as the competition

Besides, in a few days, they'll change their pricing, doubling it during their peak hours, so, realistically:

- It will be 2x more expensive if you live in their time zone

- It will be 1.5x more expensive if you live in a time zone that is adjacent to theirs

- It will be the same price IF you use it while they sleep (during offpeak hours)

It's still cheap, but the price/performance ratio is not that good

DeepSeek V4 didn't produce the same impact as V3, and Huawei dropping the ball is making it worse

They had promised massive price cuts for July, so now (Huawei chips), but they had to rush the cuts because lack of momumtum (they advertised them as promotion), and are now backtracking by introducing this peak hours pricing

Trump decided to help them a little by allowing them to buy more NVIDIA chips, so what exactly is China's role in all of this?

We are supposed to blindly pat them in the back while praising them, all while handing them over our data? I thought they were dangerous competition threatening our model of society

Re: Qwen 3.8

#107

Post by green7ea »

baq wrote: post #78
gardnr wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's hard to say what their motivation is. The Chinese firms seem to be working hard to commoditize intelligence which may be the most effective way to debase American frontier labs. And yeah: it also happens to be really good for humanity.

There’s a Twitter thread making rounds by Dean Ball about deceleration in AI development caused by open models and I can’t understand how people don’t see that it’s true: open models dismantle the frontier lab capex spend potential by reducing the training budget to zero in the limit. Tokens from different providers are not fungible, but customers are nevertheless very price sensitive and close enough is good enough,…

I’m not entirely convinced, there are many dimensions to progress. For example, DeepSeek has had a few very impressive innovations that all models could benefit from. There’s also the law of diminishing returns, the US labs have plenty of CAPEX already.

Sometimes, constraints, like sanctions, can also be a source if innovation.

Re: Qwen 3.8

#109

Post by tormeh »

ernsheong wrote: post #106

So are locally-runnable models frozen at Qwen 3.6 now :/

Is qwen 3.6 27b the best model you can run locally at the moment? Not that I have the VRAM for it, but just curious.
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