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Sweet. Are you running a Mac Studio Ultra or 4x3090?
Simpler (and faster): a single RTX Pro 6000 :)
Hahaha well played! Hat tip
Qwen 3.8
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How does this explain open weights? They could easily take the same closed route like their American friends
> How does this explain open weights? They could easily take the same closed route like their American friends Because they are playing the Americans at their own game. What is the first thing an American company would do ? Spread the old American classic FUD ... "you can't used this closed tool because its run by the communists", right ? So you release it as open weights which is a win-win. Global adoption of the mo…
Shouldn’t we fear they start doing only close source like most us labs once they catch up in market shares ?
Re: Qwen 3.8
#83Earlier quoted context omitted.
> It's hard to say what their motivation is. Not that hard to say IMO, they basically see models becoming a commodity and see value in the applications on top of them. So if Alibaba Cloud is the best place to build applications on top of Qwen, why not give the model itself away?
> Not that hard to say IMO, Unless you work there, your opinions are guesses, and parent is saying we cannot know, which remains true even with your guesses :)
Same can be said for every companies decisions then. Why does Antropic not open source their best models? My ”guess” is it’s because they are printing money with their closed models
Re: Qwen 3.8
#84Deepseek 4 "final" version is imminent as well. Will probably be at Opus 4.8 level, and I find it pretty big deal because of Deepseek price...
Yea the performance/price ratio for Deepseek is off the charts. I’ve been using V4 Flash a lot lately and it’s quite good.
Re: Qwen 3.8
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It's hard to say what their motivation is. The Chinese firms seem to be working hard to commoditize intelligence which may be the most effective way to debase American frontier labs. And yeah: it also happens to be really good for humanity.
Its about closing the gap. its the gap over everyone else that will give one country leverage over everyone else in the AI age. Makes me wonder what the world would look like if a country or group of countries did this during the industrial revolution.
Is this so different in the end than industrial revolution? I assume the loom and the automobile factory were not open source, but many people bought cars and then copied them, bought looms and copied them. Maybe a finished car is more like a binaryexecutable than a blueprint, but how a car was produced is much less obfuscated by its nature than an LLM. Regardless, the world has many competing autos and looms which were not invented from scratch every instance.
Re: Qwen 3.8
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> How does this explain open weights? They could easily take the same closed route like their American friends Because they are playing the Americans at their own game. What is the first thing an American company would do ? Spread the old American classic FUD ... "you can't used this closed tool because its run by the communists", right ? So you release it as open weights which is a win-win. Global adoption of the mo…
Shouldn’t we fear they start doing only close source like most us labs once they catch up in market shares ?
Closing future models won't take away our access to the open weight ones.
Re: Qwen 3.8
#87Qwen has set an excellent track record for architecting and releasing open-weight models that consumer-grade devices can run. What is needed the most right now is something similar to Bonsai 27B, with a modest memory footprint, but faster and more capable. On-device models can make up for intelligence by being faster, thinking longer, or doing more quick iteration rounds.
I’d like a “Bonsai 2.8T.” That is, something that is near the Fable/Sol/K3 class, but capable of running locally on consumer hardware.
Re: Qwen 3.8
#88Earlier quoted context omitted.
> How does this explain open weights? They could easily take the same closed route like their American friends Because they are playing the Americans at their own game. What is the first thing an American company would do ? Spread the old American classic FUD ... "you can't used this closed tool because its run by the communists", right ? So you release it as open weights which is a win-win. Global adoption of the mo…
Shouldn’t we fear they start doing only close source like most us labs once they catch up in market shares ?
> Shouldn’t we fear they start doing only close source like most us labs once they catch up in market shares ?
IMHO no.
I think it is relatively safe to say that the predominant reason the US labs are closed source is so they can hype up their trillion-dollar valuations on pretty much negative return on capital employed, all propped up by fragile circular financing.
Never say never, of course. But I just don't see it happening any time soon.
Re: Qwen 3.8
#89I'm haven't found an announcement page, but there's a banner on the website announcing Qwen 3.8 and redirecting to this page. Looks like they're previewing the model only on their subscription plan.
It’s available in the iOS app (or was for me), both logged in and out.
Re: Qwen 3.8
#90Deepseek 4 "final" version is imminent as well. Will probably be at Opus 4.8 level, and I find it pretty big deal because of Deepseek price...
DeepSeek V4 pricing is insane, 10x-30x cheaper to use than most other models, and it usually is good enough for most tasks.