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i just prompted Kimi & it replied with an uncensored version. i posted the transcript as a reply to you, and HN automatically flagged it. but go on.
We know that is not true. You can check wikileaks and pictures online about what protestors did.
You don't even know the truth and because internet is poisoned with this version in English, it will regurgitate the same propaganda.
Regardless of whether they achieved parity via distillation, or whether they got here via independently constructing a model from scratch, it was always going to end this way for the frontier American labs. Distillation “attacks” are not attacks. The frontier labs “distilled” all existing human written knowledge into their models, there was always going to be a second class lab that would distill that model into a ch…
The court decided that LLMs are a transformative fair use of the data they trained on, and therefore aren’t copyright infringement. Maybe Kimi is a derivative work as well
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> They paid for it! They didn't though. The resellers are not buying via the official API, they're buying Max subscriptions (where tokens are priced ~10x below API cost), then splitting the subscription across dozens of clients and reselling the output as the regular API. Anthropic prices its subscription plans barely at cost, to bring in customers onto their enterprise plans where they can charge expensive API rates…
TOS violations are not espionage. Everybody who links up Claude to OpenCode is violating the TOS. So from the largest industrial espionage in history we have left "They paid for the accounts but violated the TOS". And then you randomly add the claim they stole the money to pay for the accounts. You have provided no evidence other than "Claude tokens are sold for cheap in China". As others have pointed out, that might…
I linked it earlier, but it seems you didn't see it.
re: labs purchasing model/tool output, see https://x.com/xkajon/status/2050445443889525235
re: model swapping, sure some providers may swap models, but there are many that don't, see https://www.hvoy.ai/en for a list.
This was always where this was heading, but we got here much faster than expected. Once western governments declare it to be a "national security" risk for citizens to have access to open-weight frontier models, and once they classify using these models as acts of terrorism, what will that world be like? Will using Kimi K3 come to be like how napster was in the olden days? Everybody knew it was technically illegal, b…
The disappearance of high ram Mac studio rigs is probably just a coincidence, right? :/
Apple benefits enormously from on device AI (sells hardware) and prominently features software like LM Studio in the marketing and press releases of their new hardware.
^Technically the on-chip packaging of A-series processors make this a bit different, but point still stands.
This was always where this was heading, but we got here much faster than expected. Once western governments declare it to be a "national security" risk for citizens to have access to open-weight frontier models, and once they classify using these models as acts of terrorism, what will that world be like? Will using Kimi K3 come to be like how napster was in the olden days? Everybody knew it was technically illegal, b…
even 8x rtx pro 6000 is only 768GB of VRAM. IDK how anyone is going to run k3
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The desire to accuse China of just copying is like 20 years out of date. It’s been wrong since some people on HN were in diapers. People are going to be gobsmacked when, in our lifetime, China becomes a world power comparable to the U.S. Probably still poorer per capita, but at Spain/Italy levels, not third world country levels. And they’ll be shocked at the implications of that on the world economy, migration patter…
I am still shocked Spain/Italy and USA are considered 'first world' countries. We are not in 70s or even 90s anymore. I've been to China in 2011 also thinking I am visiting some huge village but...that was the most futuristic trip I ever had. I was surprised by the penetration level of the mobile devices - everything had a QR code, you could buy/sell/send money, pay services all with a single tap on a phone.
It’s not difficult to find areas in all these countries that are significantly less developed than Spain/Portugal’s underdeveloped areas. It’s just not as black and white as you seem to suggest.
(I come from EU but have been living in various countries in Asia for over a decade)
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my first prompt to any Kimi model was K3 via Pi, some version of "hi kimi!!" and the response was telling me "I'm actually Claude." this is not hard to repro, just use a system prompt that doesn't mention the model name. that said, if they bootstrapped with opus 4.6 convo sft data they had sitting around... so what?
The main story is what isn't being talked about. Chinese labs exfiltrated trillions of tokens of high-quality output from Anthropic and OpenAI, through proxies and heavily discounted token resellers, which they distilled and used for training data for their own models. Instead of spending 12-18 months building their own robust harnesses and painstakingly creating quality training data (which is what Anthropic and Ope…
Could you explain a little more about how this works? Are you saying that the Chinese run or have backdoored something like OpenRouter?
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Kimi calling itself claude means nothing. During pre-training, when the model learns to "simulate" the internet text, it will naturally be fed with a bunch of data about Claude and ChatGPT. With the amount of LLM outputs on the internet today, it is not surprising at all that a model would naturally call itself Claude or ChatGPT. You can mitigate that in post-training (or actually in pre-training as well) by training…
Sure, but then Qwen should leak that too, and it doesn't. K3 calls itself Claude 7 out of 48 times, Qwen does it 0 out of 48, and the only other model to identify itself as Claude is DeepSeek. and DeepSeek is alleged to also distill from Claude data anyway. So this isn't something every model absorbed from the same web text. And you skipped over the strongest datapoint that K3 is distilled: K3 reproduces Claude's pub…
GPT 5.6 Sol comes out ahead of Kimi K3 on price/task (but not significantly so). You're probably thinking, "Why use Kimi K3? Isn't an open model supposed to beat the closed one on price?", but you need to consider that the closed models are completely hobbled when trying to do anything security-related. For my use-case, I can't risk getting pwned because I'm using a model that refuses to secure my app while there is…
Even if it were slightly more expensive, it's still a better sales proposition for a company if they can run it from a hardware provider with their own locked down VPS and ensure that their IP is protected and that their data isn't being stolen or trained on. The fact that it's a little cheaper is icing on the cake. Honestly, it's the only sane way for the market to move. The big labs are obviously stealing our data.…